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2010-09-16 , 21:31
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#31
Originally Posted by imperiallight View Post
Anything that is based on Symbian can only be evolutionary not revolutionary so it will always be behind.
I don't know what the hell that means, but...
Didn't iOS just add folder/subfolder organization?
Does Symbian have anything to do with the prices of apps in the Ovi store?
 

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2010-09-16 , 21:39
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I think that blogpost was short-sighted of the future and the past. 'nuff said.

Why are you guys giving this article so much thought!
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2010-09-16 , 21:49
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Motorola was SHARPLY declining and managed to pull back up by sheer necessity and managed to do it with the Droid. Nokia needs to pull off a similar stunt to remain relevant in the future. Especially with these trends: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2369229,00.asp

Motorola is in different league of its own and it's current shape is not too good. Also do you realize that those statistics on that link are for US market?

I'm getting really tired and these kind of post do not do good for my prejudices about "you" people.
 

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2010-09-17 , 08:41
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#34
Originally Posted by slender View Post
Motorola is in different league of its own and it's current shape is not too good. Also do you realize that those statistics on that link are for US market?

I'm getting really tired and these kind of post do not do good for my prejudices about "you" people.
Are you saying that the statistics are wrong or irrelevant? Is Nokia not headed on a downward path even outside of the US market? It's just DRAMATICALLY nosediving in the US, clearly.
 
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2010-09-17 , 09:28
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Are you saying that the statistics are wrong or irrelevant? Is Nokia not headed on a downward path even outside of the US market? It's just DRAMATICALLY nosediving in the US, clearly.
Well, the fact that those statistics are wrong isnt even in question.
The table linked to in the article shows that between RIM, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Palm's mobile operating systems, 100% of the US smartphone market is accounted for.
Yet, within the article itself, it's stated that Nokia has a 7.8% share of the US smartphone subscriber base. Exactly what operating system are these 7.8% of american Nokia smartphones running, if it's neither Symbian or Maemo, neither of which appear atall on the list of operating systems that supposedly account for 100% of the market?
A 7.8% chunk missing from the list isnt just a small discrepancy. If that 7.8% share is entire market share (and assumes Nokia's entire US market is dumb/featurephones), then the article's just plain misleading, as it starts off by stating that the statistics relate only to smartphones.

Edit: Also, Nokia's market share slipped 0.3 percentage points. That's not a nosedive at all, let alone a dramatic one - It's less of a decrease than all the other non-android platform's suffered, in fact. Nokia may be losing in the face of Android (in the USA), but those statistics would suggest that theyre losing less badly than everyone else.
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2010-09-17 , 10:54
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Originally Posted by nidO View Post
The table linked to in the article shows that between RIM, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Palm's mobile operating systems, 100% of the US smartphone market is accounted for.
Those figures don't add up. Previous quarter, RIM, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Palm have total share of 97.1%, current quarter 96.8%. Assuming the remainder is Nokia's share then it has, gasp, gone up!

Yet, within the article itself, it's stated that Nokia has a 7.8% share of the US smartphone subscriber base.
The pcmag article doesn't make clear (or author is confused). Use the source and you'll see that Nokia's quoted marketshare is for mobile subscriptions (ie total mobile subscribers including dumbphones/smartphones/etc).
 

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Have you never seen big companies fail or get taken over? Usually there are critical crossroads where they make the wrong decisions or a non adaptive culture within the organization.
only one I can remember atm is/was Enron. it was a bit different from your description
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2010-09-17 , 10:58
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That's just the very thing about the article--whether you agree or not, the main point is still that Nokia has a perception problem. I've never used Symbian, myself, but the impression I get from various exposure to people who have is a generally negative one that makes it sound/feel retro and outdated. I can't say that I think that--it's just the impression I'm getting from the general consensus, right or wrong. Nokia would do well to fix that perception.
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It is not very hard for Nokia to capture market back just on n900 if they pay a little attention to it and introduce few apps on it for free :
- Ovi maps with turn by turn voice instructions
- voice dialing
- Video calls
- skype functionality similar to their Symbian phones
- MMS (thanks to the community developer we already have it)
- ear phone that has controls integrated to phone like n97/5800
- flash 10 will be awsome.
- some business apps or integration to rates feed
- fix up email
and few more.

Some of the above functionality have been developed but not by Nokia.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Meego is going have a very tough road if any at all since Android almost carries all of Meego's strengths with Google support.
Except that Android leaves much fewer choices for the device manufacturer to differentiate, meaning that ultimately the cheapest Chinese shop will win. Consider what IBM's Palmisano said about the PC business:

But one area where IBM won't compete with H-P is personal computers. In 2005, IBM sold its PC business to China's Lenovo Group for $1.75 billion. The PC era, Mr. Palmisano said Tuesday, ended three or four years ago.

"We wanted to get out before it was obvious to everyone," said Mr. Palmisano. "I couldn't give it away today," said Mr. Palmisano of the PC business.
As far as I've understood is that MeeGo enforces API-level compatibility (or otherwise you cannot call your system MeeGo), but doesn't really enforce implementation. Want to use different UX or different positioning system? Go ahead.
 

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