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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I was feeling offended that you suggested no action is being done. That we had different perceptions on the meaning of 'action' is obvious.
I'm still reeling from the prior attack. It made absolutely no sense; still doesn't. However, as it stands, I stand by how I was corrected earlier... and the confusion is not only mine about which build, which OS, which direction support will come from the (official) MeeGo vs. MeeGo (community) vs. MeeGo-Harmattan (if that's different from the prior option, hell if I know)... I'm not the only person that's confused a bit.
Nor am I the only person that wants updates to the next level of something either. And guess what? I'm probably going to be even more vocal because I'm an N900 owner now.
We've spent a very long while keeping MeeGo ARM in shape and most importantly, MeeGo on N900 - often firefighting, keeping long nights, etc. And hence you can imagine it feels a bit insulting when someone claims nothing is being done.
Some things we do agree on:
I wouldn't mind if the confusion between Harmattan and MeeGo.com didn't exist. It makes discussions hell as people often don't share the same perception of what we're actually talking about.
I wouldn't mind if there was a proper update regiment for N900 and PR's with additional features in them. Even though that simple bug fixing for a lot of issues would be nice.
To keep things exact:
There's no MeeGo (community) vs MeeGo (official) - if it's on meego.com, it's official MeeGo.
(to the clever observer: yes, we have images on tablets-dev right now. All the closed bits are supposed to be in non-oss and redistributable by 1.1 release)
There will be <company name> MeeGo, such as SuSE MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo (uncertain if this will be the term), which means MeeGo + differentiation from <company name>
There could even be "iTT" MeeGo which is MeeGo platform + things to sweeten the deal for Nokia N8x0/N900 users..
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2010-09-21
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Originally Posted by gerbick
So you're surprised that a person working his a** off daily as a part of a team to bring MeeGo on your N900 is offended when you imply they're not actually doing anything but talking?
I'm still reeling from the prior attack. It made absolutely no sense; still doesn't.
Maybe you should actually do some research yourself instead of spewing FUD until someone gets pissed off enough to spoonfeed you with proof that action is actually being taken?
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2010-09-21
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Boo Hoo, I want I want. Cut the crap, you are entitled to nothing. The good people at Nokia don't need to give you anything and Stskeeps certainly doesn't need to reply to anything you post.
I'm still reeling from the prior attack. It made absolutely no sense; still doesn't. However, as it stands, I stand by how I was corrected earlier... and the confusion is not only mine about which build, which OS, which direction support will come from the (official) MeeGo vs. MeeGo (community) vs. MeeGo-Harmattan (if that's different from the prior option, hell if I know)... I'm not the only person that's confused a bit.
Nor am I the only person that wants updates to the next level of something either. And guess what? I'm probably going to be even more vocal because I'm an N900 owner now.
Just feel lucky that MeeGo is coming to N900 rather than crying like a spoilt child.
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2010-09-21
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Originally Posted by jsa
I have to agree with jsa (at least this part) Gerbick. You should know this as a Flash developer. That alot of time, energy, sweat, and tears gets invested into a project and whether or not it gets canned, criticized, etc.. can be a sensitive point. I also understand that projects have been ended due to a roadblock or lack of interest (believe me, I was looking forward to Mer for the n800).
So you're surprised that a person working his a** off daily as a part of a team to bring MeeGo on your N900 is offended when you imply they're not actually doing anything but talking?
I say that as someone who does Human Factors and HCI (Usability) work and occasionally dwelves into development when nobody else can do it (or the sponsors are busy). And we often write our recommendations as nicely as possible knowing the amount of time people invest into their work.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-09-21
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Now - me and gerbick had different perspective on the word 'action', let's not start a framewar here. I consider the discussion done and settled from my point of view and I think gerbick thinks the same.
Let's not turn into a raving mob with pitchforks.
Let's not turn into a raving mob with pitchforks.
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2010-09-22
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come on...please continue this fight... this is the only way we would REALLY now what is going on with N900 and Nokia. Thank you Stskeeps for some insight. So Meego is really coming to N900 after all.
Stskeeps: Is the October deadline still possible?
Stskeeps: Is the October deadline still possible?
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2010-09-23
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Originally Posted by cenwesi
It has to be, fixed release cycle.
come on...please continue this fight... this is the only way we would REALLY now what is going on with N900 and Nokia. Thank you Stskeeps for some insight. So Meego is really coming to N900 after all.
Stskeeps: Is the October deadline still possible?
<insert usual disclaimer that MeeGo for N900 is not a Nokia product nor contains shiny commercial bits. MeeGo == meego.com, a open source project>
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As you go on to other communities, remember to build them around politeness, respect, trust and humility. Be wary of poisonous people and deal with them before they end up killing your community.. Seen it happen to too many IRC channels, forums, open source projects.
As you go on to other communities, remember to build them around politeness, respect, trust and humility. Be wary of poisonous people and deal with them before they end up killing your community.. Seen it happen to too many IRC channels, forums, open source projects.
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2010-09-26
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until its out and WORKING on my phone with features I can use in a polished state that is reliable then sorry to us non devs all this chit chat is nothing.
Gerbick is absolutely correct - this is what the n900 experience taught us - Nokia can drop projects at anytime without explanation and just guive silence even though to us consumers the drop does not make sense - your paid Nokia employees can be yanked off at anytime without explanation. So us consumers have learnt to EXPECT NOTHING until stuff is actually released to run on our phones
as often repeated on this forum only get the n900 for what it is NOW noit what u hope it CAN be based on promises - gerbick was only being consistent with this rule as we have learnt from our n900 experience
Gerbick is absolutely correct - this is what the n900 experience taught us - Nokia can drop projects at anytime without explanation and just guive silence even though to us consumers the drop does not make sense - your paid Nokia employees can be yanked off at anytime without explanation. So us consumers have learnt to EXPECT NOTHING until stuff is actually released to run on our phones
as often repeated on this forum only get the n900 for what it is NOW noit what u hope it CAN be based on promises - gerbick was only being consistent with this rule as we have learnt from our n900 experience
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2010-09-27
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Originally Posted by Frappacino
That's fine, ignore it. This release is for developers in the end, anyway.
until its out and WORKING on my phone with features I can use in a polished state that is reliable then sorry to us non devs all this chit chat is nothing.
Gerbick is absolutely correct - this is what the n900 experience taught us - Nokia can drop projects at anytime without explanation and just [give] silence even though to us consumers the drop does not make sense - your paid Nokia employees can be yanked off at anytime without explanation. So us consumers have learnt to EXPECT NOTHING until stuff is actually released to run on our phones
as often repeated on this forum only get the n900 for what it is NOW noit what u hope it CAN be based on promises - gerbick was only being consistent with this rule as we have learnt from our n900 experience
We have the call audio feature ready, for what it matters - still remaining to be integrated into released images. (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Features/CallAudio)
I'm capable of using it for succesfully dialing into a teleconference with DTMF and all. I had a full conversation with decent call quality (honest) with someone else from this forum. That it came out the speakers instead of earpiece is another thing
What I hope we'll get to within 1.2 is a state where it's possible to use MeeGo on N900 as your primary device for typical smartphone needs. Browsing, calls, SMS and accelerated media playback.
I plan to start the dogfood approach and use MeeGo on N900 myself as well..
But I've learnt not to oversell things, so, let's see what happens. I hadn't a year ago expected us to make a call using only open source software.
As you go on to other communities, remember to build them around politeness, respect, trust and humility. Be wary of poisonous people and deal with them before they end up killing your community.. Seen it happen to too many IRC channels, forums, open source projects.