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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by SD69
Personally, I don't see that Robin's affiliation with Collabora has any bearing on his candidacy. Given that, why would be better off invalidating his candidacy? To make an example of him?
Well if the matter is being discussed privately as Jaffa said no one knows the argument that was used. Including what would be the worse possible argument, that the few individuals making the decision thought the candidate would be a good person for council.
I don't see any benefit in invalidating his candidacy, and a fair number of disadvantages, so why do it?
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
+1
Personally, I don't see that Robin's affiliation with Collabora has any bearing on his candidacy. Given that, why would be better off invalidating his candidacy? To make an example of him?
I don't see any benefit in invalidating his candidacy, and a fair number of disadvantages, so why do it?
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(btw. there is a German saying: "In der Kürze liegt die Würze", which means "Brevity is the soul of wit"... Just came to my mind...)
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by zehjotkah
It actually originates from Shakespeare (Hamlet), but I agree with your point. I'd rather have a short-post throttle (no more than 2 or 3 posts with fewer than 10 characters in 10 minutes), than the hard character limit. Off-topic, though.
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(btw. there is a German saying: "In der Kürze liegt die Würze", which means "Brevity is the soul of wit"... Just came to my mind...)
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
The forum server of course...
...The information wouldn't get lost, and in this hypothetical situation (which, I wish to emphasise, we are not in - or even near), we would have sufficient warning to ensure that data was transferred onto another system.
Again, I think the problems we'd face if a vibrant community did have the plug pulled (which there's no evidence would happen to a *vibrant* community) would be logistical, rather than informational.
Although... now that 95% of the information has been culled, sorted, and posted; a static pages wouldn't be bad as sub-forum category stickies with the sub-forum itself used for questions, additional help, and/or edit requests...
It is done all the time and it creates a forum directory structure at the same time.
But all that^ can be determined at another point in time.
Leaving the final question:
Q: How much time (%) is expected to be devoted to such things in the next council term?
I'm now off on a 7 hour drive for a 5 day business trip sprung on me Friday, woo hoo
All I'm taking with me for entertainment, navigation, and information service will be my N900...
I'm glad to be also taking with me community developed apps like pyRadio and a community forum website for any N900 support I may need along the way... (...and that is a value that is outside the box our current, collective imaginations.
)Thank you for engaging in this conversation.
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
Just want to throw a hearty +1 here. While forums are great for getting feedback, they aren't so great for imparting information to the masses.
Then we find a way of making the documentation in the wiki more visible. A forum isn't a wiki, and vice-versa.
In all too many cases, discussion gets in the way of information!
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Thanks for commenting.
Personally, I don't see that Robin's affiliation with Collabora has any bearing on his candidacy...
I don't see any benefit ...
You seem to second guess the wisdom of the rule itself, but it nevertheless exists. Such an affiliation is relevant or there wouldn't be a rule regarding it in the first place. Maybe not to you, but to others. It seems you do not disassociate your personal opinion from your responsibility to the community to enforce the rules of the electoral process. You were not asked to invalidate his candidacy; you were expected to enforce the rule that (unfortunately or not - it is not for us to decide now) invalidates his candidacy.
I don't want to comment any more. But try to understand as you consider this - it is not your opinion that matters. It is the opinion of the hundreds of people who vote of whether or not the election is conducted as fairly as possible. The election is ultimately for the community as a whole and confidence in the council resulting from it is an important benefit.
I again commend the candidate for voluntarily coming forward. I wish there was another way.
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by SD69
Please re-read the rule again, because apparently you've misinterpreted it.
You seem to second guess the wisdom of the rule itself, but it nevertheless exists. Such an affiliation is relevant or there wouldn't be a rule regarding it in the first place. Maybe not to you, but to others. It seems you do not disassociate your personal opinion from your responsibility to the community to enforce the rules of the electoral process. You were not asked to invalidate his candidacy; you were expected to enforce the rule that (unfortunately or not - it is not for us to decide now) invalidates his candidacy.
Originally Posted by Maemo Community Council Election Process wiki page
(emphasis mine)6. Nominees with a professional interest in Maemo, such as working for Nokia - or any other company involved in Maemo-related software development - must declare their interest when advertising their nomination. Failure to do so may result in the Nokia Community Manager, or the outgoing Council, declaring their nomination invalid and so bar them from standing in the current election.
Originally Posted by SD69
Actually, as one of the people elected to represent the community, and according to the rules, it is my opinion (among others) that counts. See the quote above.
I don't want to comment any more. But try to understand as you consider this - it is not your opinion that matters. It is the opinion of the hundreds of people who vote of whether or not the election is conducted as fairly as possible. The election is ultimately for the community as a whole and confidence in the council resulting from it is an important benefit.
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2010-09-19
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Originally Posted by SD69
As one of the architects of the Council and, indeed (IIRC), the person who wrote that rule; the use of the word "may", as GeneralAntilles has indicated, was very purposeful: to allow an independent group to decide whether the sanction available to them fits the circumstances.
enforce the rule
If we'd wanted it to be an absolute rule, the wording would have been: "failure to do so will result in their nomination being declared invalid and so bar them from standing in the current election."
I don't remember anyone suggesting that wording, nor has anyone ever proposed a referendum on changing it. I stand by the wording, even if it allows those making the decision to keep a competitor for a council position in the running.
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2010-09-19
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When writing rules and regulations, use of the words Shall, Should and May have very specific universal meanings and it's not mere semantics to invoke them.
Shall = must, will, have to
Should = preferred, standard, default
May = can, able, might
Shall = must, will, have to
Should = preferred, standard, default
May = can, able, might
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