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Matan is offline Matan
2010-10-03 , 15:35
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#11
Originally Posted by ctbeiser View Post
I think it's worth noting that Maemo is pretty much entirely open source, with the exception of the aforementioned blobs
It would have been worth noting, if it was true. Since this openness claim has nothing to do with reality, it is not worth noting at all.

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago View Post
some firmwares, like for the GSM modem, are also closed ('cause of some lame law that punishes toolmakers for what use random people give to the tools)
No. The firmware is close because Nokia chose that it be close. There is no law requiring it to be close.
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You realise that GSM contains many patented technologies?
 
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2010-10-03 , 16:10
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there is one major reason for gsm part being closed: operators

just think about a device which has its gsm modem functionality compiled a tad wrong causing a havoc at least to the cell tower it is connected to. fixing such things costs pretty much. One estimate was when someone tampered with finnish towers and did something small. cost for operator per tower: 200 000+ eur. and if I remember right, there were 2 operators involved so you can double the figure....
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2010-10-03 , 16:14
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Originally Posted by Matan View Post
It would have been worth noting, if it was true. Since this openness claim has nothing to do with reality, it is not worth noting at all.



No. The firmware is close because Nokia chose that it be close. There is no law requiring it to be close.
As far as I ḱnow Adobe Flash and SGX driver from Texas Instrument is not open sourced.

I dont know about the wifi/bt driver but maybe those driver is not open sourced.

So stop blame Nokia for everything! This is how bussiness work we will NEVER see fully open sourced drivers and so on. Not even Meego Hardware will have fully open sourced drivers etc...
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2010-10-03 , 19:45
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Originally Posted by ossipena View Post
just think about a device which has its gsm modem functionality compiled a tad wrong causing a havoc at least to the cell tower it is connected to.
Right. Its one thing to give people free hands to mess with their devices, and another to give them free hands to mess it for everybody else.
 
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2010-10-03 , 20:03
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Originally Posted by rickysio View Post
You realise that GSM contains many patented technologies?
Do you realise that using patents as a reason for closeness is the dumbest argument that can be made?

Unless, of course, the claim is that Nokia try to hide which patents they use from the patent owners.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
As far as I ḱnow Adobe Flash and SGX driver from Texas Instrument is not open sourced.

I dont know about the wifi/bt driver but maybe those driver is not open sourced.

So stop blame Nokia for everything! This is how bussiness work we will NEVER see fully open sourced drivers and so on. Not even Meego Hardware will have fully open sourced drivers etc...
If you don't know, why do you feel such a strong urge to participate in this thread? What is the relevance of drivers to this thread?

Phone application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Contacts application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

SMS application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Network management system is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

cherry trojan is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Map application is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.

Etc. etc. etc.

I hope you know more now.
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2010-10-03 , 20:41
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Originally Posted by rickysio View Post
You realise that GSM contains many patented technologies?
Patents don't prevent open source. They can be licensed on open source principles or for profit. It is more a matter of what the owner wants to do.
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2010-10-03 , 20:47
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Not even Meego Hardware will have fully open sourced drivers etc...
Actually MeeGo for netbooks is fully open source. And this is a PITA. There are only some netbooks that uses HW where all drivers are available in open source form. Most drivers are available and is freely redistributable, but contain blobs. MeeGos policy is to only redistribute drivers that are fully source code open source. This doesn't even make sense, because the blobs are often low level firmware that need to be in binary form no matter what. The only alternative is to redesign the HW to contain the blobs in ROM.

How will this be with MeeGo for the N900 ? I wonder, surely there has to be lots of blobs in there. I guess Nokia can redistribute it, but not MeeGo?
 
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2010-10-03 , 21:55
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cherry trojan is owned by Nokia - no third party to blame - close.
Assuming we're not suddenly discussing flavored condoms, I have no clue what "cherry trojan" meant, and Google returns little of relevance.

Enlightenment, please?
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2010-10-03 , 22:06
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I was wondering that too. Thanks for saving me a google search or two ;-)
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