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	HellFlyer	2010-10-23 , 16:59
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Originally Posted by ysss

Pros and cons of MeeGo on Nokia...

Cons:
- Competitors have significantly more userbase: aids in marketing, aftersales support, secondary market.
- Competitors have significantly more developers: Continuous new content, quicker to package/channel new trends into their ecosystems.
- Competitors have significantly more apps: More features and functionalities to cater to all sorts of niche userbases.
- Competitors already have significantly more 3rd party accessories, services, tie-ins and whatnot.

Without a very significant unique selling point, I'm afraid MeeGo may be too little too late.

Good points but not sure about cons

If Nokia gets Qt established via Symbian ^3 devices , they will have userbase and developers that just will be transferred and regarding services.... I dont think its a con , IMO i think its a pro , Nokia pushes Ovi and all related services pretty hard while learning from competition what works and what doesnt

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	tissot	2010-10-23 , 17:07
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Originally Posted by etuoyo

I think he was referring to sales. That thing that matters most to manufacturers. Yes we all love maemo but it has been a tragedy in terms of reach. I am guessing more iphone 4s were sold in first 6 hours of release than N900s have been sold in its entire life.

I disagree that it is too late for meego though. If all Nokia's top of the line phones next year are meego then meego is bound to have some mad sales. After all N97 sold a lot despite being one of the worst touch screen phones in history.

Thing I fear for meego in the smartphone sector is that it looks like Nokia just can't let symbian drop into the mid market as they suggested it would. So symbian is going to eat up a lot of potential meego sales. Also we are still yet to see other manufacturers by into meego but so many were ready to put their hand to windows phone 7. Maybe that will change when meego is nearer release but Nokia's abandoning N900 won't exactly fill them with confidence that meego will have a long life and so it is worth producing phones for.

Just like with Symbian even when it was in it's prime it was almost impossible for any other manufacturer to jump in and make profit other than Nokia(and in lesser extent, SE) so that's one point. And it's understandable that nobody wants to jump to OS that's essentially Nokia's "fightback OS" as it has been Nokia that many of these new manufacturers have been sucking life out of.

Like you said Nokia is still in very good position in that sense that if they will release good product all will know about it and i don't think that will change to anything at least in next year either. Difference what have happened in the past years is that another N97 isn't enough anymore as high end market doesn't take anything Nokia offers.
If Nokia really manages to wow people with MeeGo phone next year that phone will sell alot imo, but that will be seen.

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	ysss	2010-10-23 , 17:16
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Originally Posted by HellFlyer

Good points but not sure about cons

If Nokia gets Qt established via Symbian ^3 devices , they will have userbase and developers that just will be transferred and regarding services....

That's an IF, and Qt is covered in the Pros section already

I dont think its a con , IMO i think its a pro , Nokia pushes Ovi and all related services pretty hard while learning from competition what works and what doesnt

I would categorize Ovi as a 'fail' so far. It's out there and available, yet it propagates negative experience to both potential customers and developers in higher % than its competitors.

We'll have to wait and see how Ovi develop.

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	Texrat	2010-10-23 , 17:17
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Originally Posted by lanwellon

MeeGo handset will be releaed on 2011H1.

It is too late !

At that time, iOS and Android will be even stronger.

This is nuts.

Blackberry OS, iOS, and Symbian were all strong when Android started chipping away at them.

Another OS can do the same to Android.

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ericsson	2010-10-23 , 17:30
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Originally Posted by ysss

Without a very significant unique selling point, I'm afraid MeeGo may be too little too late.

It is irrelevant mostly. MeeGo is a full fledged OS. There is nothing there that is crippled or closed or whatever. It is free and open source. It works out of the box on Intel and ARM, and even includes a (vanilla) UX that gets better and better each day. Try installing the newest ARM 1.0.99 version. It actually looks and behave close to Android standard now (which was not the case a couple of weeks ago). The netbook version has been working for half a year, and will be updated in a weeks time. Never in history has there been anything like MeeGo. It is a complete set of building blocks for any kind of HW manufacturer in need of a royalty free OS that he can shape and use at will.

Nokia will be using it with Qt and Qt Quick enabling apps that can easily be ported to Maemo and Symbian. Other manufacturers may choose differently regarding UX.

But being a fully operational OS in all respects, sort of excludes it from being a top notch smartphone OS. Mobile computer - yes, but it is too power hungry to become a good OS for phones because you expect a phone to last longer than 5-6 hours. Maybe in 3-4 years it will be OK when hardware has evolved? who knows.

MeeGo is an OS made by HW manufacturers for HW manufacturers. Let's say you want to make a new flashy tablet or netbook or mobile computer (smartphone-ish tablet). Wouldn't you rather have all the worlds of possibilities using a free and open source OS, that you can shape as much or as little as you want? and still be certain that the OS is constantly maintained. With any other alternative you have to pay lots of money, your hands will be tied and you will have to compete with everyone else's systems that look exactly the same.

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niche	2010-10-23 , 17:31
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What's up with all the ridiculous commodity fetishist voices which try to elevate Meego to some kind of (failing) "chosen one", and all the hysteria that comes along with it...
Kind of repulsive, to say the least.

I choose whatever suits my needs/workflow, as long as it's anti-cloud and anti-jail. If Meego fails, sooner or later a similar less data-greedy, less restrictive option will emerge. It has always been that way.

I suggest you CTFO and get a fruitful hobby instead wasting ressources with your Meego/Android/whatever tattoo.

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Crashdamage	2010-10-23 , 17:43
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It's still very early in the mobile device market. Right now, we're probably at about the point in mobiles that PCs were at when early Macs were the cool thing to have and M$ was about to release Windoze 3.1 to try and compete. Only now it's iPhone vs WinMo 7 (with Android, Symbian, etc. complicating the scene). And we know who won the desktop OS war. So anything could still happen.

MeeGo can do it, no question. It will be the most powerful, capable mobile OS available. But it will have to:
a. Get full support from not only Nokia, but other manufacturers, like Android has.
b. Get supported by wireless carriers. Ordinary people want and need customer support for their device.
c. The hardware for the first units must be killer! Because poor hardware will kill it.
d. The entire MeeGo package offered - market,, UI, services, basic software (email, browser, bluetooth, etc.) must be right from the beginning. IOW, all the basic stuff users coming from other brands expect has to just work.

If there's failure in any of these areas, the MeeGo forum, like this one, will get bombarded with users pissed because (insert complaint about MMS, email, ringtones or whatever here) on their previous (insert iPhone, Nexus One, E71 or whatever here) worked or worked better.

It's just a friggin' shame that custom ringtones are more important to so many users than an entire concept like MeeGo. But, people are stupid...

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	ysss	2010-10-23 , 17:47
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Originally Posted by ericsson

It is irrelevant mostly. MeeGo is a full fledged OS. There is nothing there that is crippled or closed or whatever. It is free and open source. It works out of the box on Intel and ARM, and even includes a (vanilla) UX that gets better and better each day. Try installing the newest ARM 1.0.99 version. It actually looks and behave close to Android standard now (which was not the case a couple of weeks ago). The netbook version has been working for half a year, and will be updated in a weeks time. Never in history has there been anything like MeeGo. It is a complete set of building blocks for any kind of HW manufacturer in need of a royalty free OS that he can shape and use at will.

So what?
How does this directly increase the general marketability of MeeGo? (Which is basically the main subject of this thread).

MeeGo is an OS made by HW manufacturers for HW manufacturers. Let's say you want to make a new flashy tablet or netbook or mobile computer (smartphone-ish tablet). Wouldn't you rather have all the worlds of possibilities using a free and open source OS, that you can shape as much or as little as you want? and still be certain that the OS is constantly maintained. With any other alternative you have to pay lots of money, your hands will be tied and you will have to compete with everyone else's systems that look exactly the same.

If I'm making a tablet for myself, that would be the case.
If I'm making a tablet to sell, then I will use a completely different metric.

Thus the disconnect.

Everyone who doesn't see the necessity of building a commercially successful product (to support their hobby) is living in a pocket of ignorance that will one day bite them on their bum.

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niche	2010-10-23 , 17:56
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Originally Posted by ysss

Everyone who doesn't see the necessity of building a commercially successful product (to support their hobby) is living in a pocket of ignorance that will one day bite them on their bum.

I wouldn't be too concerned since your hobby could be put into practice with a semi-rotten PII and a light linux distro...

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	ysss	2010-10-23 , 17:59
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Originally Posted by Texrat

This is nuts.

Blackberry OS, iOS, and Symbian were all strong when Android started chipping away at them.

Another OS can do the same to Android.

When Android came to town...

Blackberry = Strong in enterprise, generally weak everywhere else.

Apple = Strong contender, but had serious issues with Job's 'deathgrip' (artificial limitations). Targets the top niche of the price range.

Symbian = Weak brand name. Lots of hidden (buried?) capabilities. It was 'sold with the phone', imho they're much less so (not really?) a contender in this respect.