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2010-11-21 , 21:08
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Here's another interesting quote from the same Android Framework Engineer in the Galaxy Tab Android UI Discussion:

If you are deciding how to layout your UI, that is what the screen size and orientation configuration is for.

I just would not try to define what a "tablet" is. In fact, forget the word even exists. If you look in the market, there are already so many devices out there spreading between phone and big 10" screen that there just isn't any clear line you can draw. And it definitely has nothing to do with a default orientation (in fact apps shouldn't think about default orientations at all).
I couldn't have said it better myself.
 

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2010-11-21 , 22:14
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
What makes you say it's the same problem? There are plenty of people more knowledgable about this than me, but my understanding is that Android is more tightly tied to 800x480 resolution than Maemo.

Nokia should have put out a tablet during the last couple years.
Not the same problem by any means, but there would be similarities in that both UIs have been designed for smaller screens. Maemo should and indeed does quite happily scale to larger screens afaiu

+1 to the "should have released a tablet comment", but then apparently they have been caught off guard, after deciding that people didn't in fact want Internet Tablets, now everyone else is producing them.
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2010-11-21 , 22:24
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
The maximum resolution of Android is a popular misunderstanding as far as I can tell. The Android SDK's emulator is limited in resolution, though the OS guidelines have three distinct 'sizes' and 'densities' that are allowed, one of which is 'large screen' that has been supported since v1.6 (IIRC). In any event, I'm quite certain that no special hackery has been required for the Galaxy Tab to display at 1024x600, or the Toshiba AC100 for that matter.
I'll have to find the article I was reading - it explicitly said that Samsung had had to do some hackery to support such a large screen res, and that Honeycomb would support larger res screens than the current max (which was something like 960x480? I can't really remember)

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I would argue that Android's 'market fragmentation' is much lower than that of Apple's, in that up until this point Apple's support across devices is largely limited to the device itself. Android binaries on the other hand span multiple OS's, and multiple devices quite well. It's clear that the OS design bore this in mind from the outset. For example, properly developed apps display work flawlessly on the Tab, though often with phone-esque UIs.
Quite possibly, but I have no interest in Apple. While Android binaries span multiple OSes and Os releases, the fact that they can be very picky about what hw to run on (screen size, camera autofocus, etc.) seems a little overly controlled to me (though yeah I understand, need to make sure the user has a good experience, etc).

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt View Post
I suspect that Gingerbread/Honeycomb will feature a more flexible UI for larger screens, but ideas like 'fragmentation' and android not being 'tablet ready' are ideas popularized by modern media, but are no moreso than any other OS out there. In fact, I'd argue that due to Android's design, it's far less subject to 'fragmentation' than other mobile OSs.
I quite agree, all the mobile phone OSes suffer from this, my point was only that if they get the UI right for larger screened devices, we will see more of them being released.
 

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2010-11-21 , 22:37
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These things are hitting the UK market at less than half the price (£239) of the tab.
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2010-11-22 , 03:21
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#1225
Just laid my hand on a Galaxy Tab .
First feeling - feels solid and well built even though its plastic to the touch.
All the buttons gave a nice hard click - no loose feelings anywhere.

The screen quality felt normal - would love a OLED or whatever bright screens they have these days on this on instead.

The Android (at first glance) felt the same as on my Android phone. Nothing new here. Software wise the tablet looks like like the phones UI - nothing new here.

The 7" size did feel good and the device is compact and nice when it sits in the hand. Overall nothing stunning about first looks, but feels like a capable device.
 

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2010-11-22 , 06:35
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Forget about your expensive toy get your self the real deal. Dell Inspiron Duo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...043#post880043
 
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Originally Posted by lardman View Post
I'll have to find the article I was reading - it explicitly said that Samsung had had to do some hackery to support such a large screen res, and that Honeycomb would support larger res screens than the current max (which was something like 960x480? I can't really remember)
Indeed there have been many articles saying the same thing. The official SDK does not ship with support for 1024x600 screen out of the box, but it is quite easy (and confirmed) to create an AVD (Android Virtual Device) with these screen specifications. For developers that wish to see their output as it would display on the Tab, this is a necessary step.

The misunderstanding regurgitated in almost all popular media is that 854x480 is the max resolution supported by the OS, when in fact it's only the max supported resolution by the emulator out-of-the-box. People have successfully pushed the emulator to 1200x900 (or something), though after this limit it starts to malfunction (memory errors).

I think Samsung ships or is planning to ship the 1024x600 AVD for developers looking to target the Tabs larger resolution, but I suspect the Gingerbread SDK will include these higher resolution profiles as default.
 

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Forget about your expensive toy get your self the real deal. Dell Inspiron Duo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...043#post880043
No thanks! It looks like a novel design and very cool, but there are a number of points that make a Tablet more attractive to me. Some points against it in my eyes:

1) ATOM processor. While the Atom easily beats the Hummingbird/Tegra2/whatever, it doesn't have that ultra-low power standby mode. Meaning, that your device is either sleeping or awake. I like the always online capabilities of ARM SoCs and instant on functionality.
2) Win7 -- of course this can be swapped for another os, but my complaint is that it's not designed for a touch screen.
3) Battery life. Again related to the Atom CPU.

I'd rather get a Galaxy Tab and a 13" Asus UL30Vt, than this device alone. Why the UL30VT? 10 hours of battery life real-world, OC'd C2D SU7300 CPU, GeForce 210m GPU, thin, light, beautiful, ~$700. A perfect work companion for tasks that are not too demanding.

Don't get me wrong, the duo is a very sleek device that oozes 'potential', but in practice I have serious doubts that it will be as good a tablet and being an Atom and using a desktop OS and I know that it will be a subpar notebook as well (from experience).

Of course, I enjoy being proven wrong, so please let us know how it goes!
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2010-11-22 , 11:48
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It looks as if AT&T, Rogers, and Bell tabs have been hacked to allow phone calling capability! This compliments the recent hacking oh the T-Mobile tablet to allow this feature:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847273

Now only Verizon and Sprint remain...
 
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2010-11-22 , 14:32
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This is an interesting app/service (Miral ClearSea). It's video conferencing on the Tab with more than 1 participant! In fact the demo shows 4 people talking at once:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6RO5iKoDE8

There's quite a delay, which kind of smells, but it's still novel for 'virtual' meetings.
 
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