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geohsia	2010-12-12 , 17:14
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Originally Posted by ericsson

Yes, but they are not show stoppers for everyday use of the N900.

What, now only bug fixes are show-stoppers? By definition that's sustaining level support which is unacceptable before its successor has released.

Besides, you can always install MeeGo on it,

I am not a developer, and its only for developers at this stage. My phone would be useless to me. I bought it to use, not to write code. The N900 wasn't just for developers.

even though it is premature for everyday use right now, but some day... You cannot do this with any other commercial device. The N900 is very special, and only, and I repeat - ONLY - Nokia has been so kind as to make such a device available to the public.

I feel so special I can load something I can't use. Should I start dancing now?

So crying about stale Maemo development is really way out of line IMO. Maemo works just fine, it is stable as a rock when used in a normal way.

Yeah, I'm sure the dozens of bugs deferred to Harmattan were just stupid anyways, what were the developers thinking. They obviously know nothing about how to use handheld computing nirvana like a real man. What a bunch of noobs.

Anyway, Nokia is like God.

Riiiiiight. Obviously your only view is your world and care not for the world view of others. I'll end my responses to you here.

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extendedping	2010-12-12 , 17:15
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Lets face it. Nokia let a lot of people down.

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ericsson	2010-12-12 , 17:30
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Originally Posted by geohsia

My phone would be useless to me. I bought it to use, not to write code. The N900 wasn't just for developers.

I really don't see your problem. Maemo Pr 1.3 is just fine, why is it useless for you? You just want more updates, is that it? You feel left out because you came too late to the show?

To be honest though, I miss one thing, and that is a real MMS application. The semi-operational hack available right now, just don't cut it.

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Crashdamage	2010-12-12 , 17:49
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Originally Posted by extendedping

Lets face it. Nokia let a lot of people down.

Let's face it. Nokia made a lot of people very happy. Gave them a unique device and a mobile OS more open and friggin' powerful than any other device or mobile OS on the market. Then they threw their support behind MeeGo which will be even more open and powerful. Shame on them.

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geohsia	2010-12-12 , 17:56
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I wasn't going to respond to you as it was clear it was no point in arguing with you but for whatever reason I feel the need to clarify.

Originally Posted by ericsson

I really don't see your problem. Maemo Pr 1.3 is just fine, why is it useless for you?

Do you actually read my posts or just throw out random words. My response to you was in regards to MeeGo. Loading MeeGo now would be useless to me. That wasn't so hard to understand was it?

You just want more updates, is that it?

No, I want them to keep working on the N900 for the reasonable life of the product. Nothing more, nothing less.

You feel left out because you came too late to the show?

I bought it in January of this year, so it has been a while. I would have bought it earlier but I was out of the country.

To be honest though, I miss one thing, and that is a real MMS application. The semi-operational hack available right now, just don't cut it.

Hmm... let me use your logic.

"It's perfect as is, so stop whining"

or how about

"Why would you even care about MMS, they never promised it anyways, it isn't in the spec sheet"

Oh, wait how about this.

"Load the MeeGo alpha, that will solve your MMS problems. We are sooooo lucky we are to have that!"

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stenny	2010-12-12 , 18:15
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Originally Posted by ossipena

actually they did: they gave you option to purchase n900 in the first place.

No, I gave them the privilege of doing business with me. Twice. I bought an n810 and an n900. They are in danger of losing that privilege.

Originally Posted by optimistprime

That would be incorrect. You "gave" Nokia $600, and Nokia gave you your N900. There was no promise in literature that you recieved with it that you would have quarterly updates or anything.

You're missing the point, probably because you don't understand how "buying things" works.

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ironm8	2010-12-12 , 18:30
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I like this thread very much.
I think I've come to realize that by industry's standard, Nokia is sub-par.

like geohsia said, the n900 was being pushed agressivly in both eastern regions and in europe. it was not marketed for developers only.

I'd like to point out the Nexus 1. According to everyone in the industry, the Googlephone didnt even sold half of what google expected it to. But look, even after they STOPPED selling it, it still will get Gingerbread. The question is WHY? Why would they do such an odd thing? the answer is that they CARE about their costumers satisfaction and as a result, they take care of their image. So we take this arguement and throw it on Nokia, this arnt looking good. and the "their way to make money" excuse is NOT ok.

About the contract and staff:
I got my N900 in April '10. the is NO WAY I am getting a new phone before April '12. Unless it'll die on me.
It's really cool that you guys have the money to spend every year on a premium phone, i dont, as a student. And if we were talking standard, I am in doubt buying a new out-of-contract phone every year is a standard.

I agree that maemo, how ericsson put it "just fine".
First, why should it stay "just fine".
Second: IF you strip an n900 to the bone, Maemo is NOT "just fine".
a newly reflashed N900(with 1.3) is somewhere next to BAREABLE!
If I take a second to look if any of the "core applications" that came with the N900 had help from the community, you will discover the following:
1. Modest was slow. fix by the community.
2. Calander. Calander widget by nicolai made it so much better.
3. Web. flash tweak so we could have at least some.
4. App Manager. nothing to add here
5. All the system "lubricants" and fixes.
I can continue on and on

Lets face it, a N900 standing bare naked should be ashamed of himself.
If any of you want to owe Nokia for the rest of your life for just "making" the N900. Go ahead. I just give credit where credit is due.

EDIT: I look at the tags for this thread and i dont like them. This thread is not about n900.

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Optimus	2010-12-12 , 18:50
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We need a new chit chat section, "Unsatisfied buyers".

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ironm8	2010-12-12 , 18:52
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Originally Posted by Optimus

We need a new chit chat section, "Unsatisfied buyers".

I agree, but this iralevent here. We arent dicussing a device, but a false corporate stratagy.

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slender	2010-12-12 , 20:54
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Originally Posted by ironm8

I'd like to point out the Nexus 1. According to everyone in the industry, the Googlephone didnt even sold half of what google expected it to. But look, even after they STOPPED selling it, it still will get Gingerbread. The question is WHY? Why would they do such an odd thing? the answer is that they CARE about their costumers satisfaction and as a result, they take care of their image. So we take this arguement and throw it on Nokia, this arnt looking good. and the "their way to make money" excuse is NOT ok.

Hmm. And Nokia is working on tailored version of Meego for N900. Group of people are working on it:
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#The_team_and_the_work
What would you call it in comparison to totally forgetting customers/devels?

Originally Posted by ironm8

About the contract and staff:
I got my N900 in April '10. the is NO WAY I am getting a new phone before April '12. Unless it'll die on me.
It's really cool that you guys have the money to spend every year on a premium phone, i dont, as a student. And if we were talking standard, I am in doubt buying a new out-of-contract phone every year is a standard.

Who has said that you have to buy new phone every year? I have my REAL phone (nokia 2370) and I have N900. If you are student and short in money then why on earth you would buy N900? To devel apps to it and learn QT?

Originally Posted by ironm8

I agree that maemo, how ericsson put it "just fine".
First, why should it stay "just fine".
Second: IF you strip an n900 to the bone, Maemo is NOT "just fine".
a newly reflashed N900(with 1.3) is somewhere next to BAREABLE!

To you. Many people around here are telling quite opposite. I´m not happy with n900, but then again generally I´m never totally happy with anything....perhaps with my girlfriend, couple of bugs still to fix

Or they might be user errors, hmmm.

If I take a second to look if any of the "core applications" that came with the N900 had help from the community, you will discover the following:
1. Modest was slow. fix by the community.

Actually it was fixed in main tree and then modest was packaged by some helpful community members. 1.3 has most of fixes that are in main tree. But I agree that it´s still bit slow and after all bare minimum what I want from mail client.

But then again if guy in head of whole project thinks this about maemo 5:
http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2009/11/m...art-of-it.html
"Maemo is rough on the edges. It is a bit dangerous. It is open to experiments. It is about community involvement. I want these to stay. I do not like boring cars, either."

2. Calander. Calander widget by nicolai made it so much better.

Yes? Then what? Be happy?

3. Web. flash tweak so we could have at least some.

This is bit sad and if what Qole reported to Flash thread is true then I´m starting to really think that maybe Adobe should be left behind.

4. App Manager. nothing to add here

Oh dear. With this one I agree. Only terrible thing is its speed.

5. All the system "lubricants" and fixes.
I can continue on and on

What? Please continue.

I appreciate more lists like these:
Bugzilla (Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED,Version: 5.0: (10.2010.19-1),5.0: (20.2010.36-2),Classification: Maemo Official Applications,Maemo Official Platform;Votes: (is greater than) 5
With explanation. They tell more than these vagues statements by disappointed users where people have some kind of weird believe that all the other people around them interpret world as they and usage case for them is same. It´s called bias.

Lets face it, a N900 standing bare naked should be ashamed of himself.

How you know that it is he? I would say that mine is She after I have installed stuff from devel & testing. Its mood varies by time

And why it should be ashamed? It´s screaming to your face "test me, debug me, tweak me, rip my spine off and put it back and rip it off again just for sake of it, code me, kick me". For example look Fcam stuff. That is just amazing IMO. For Average Joe it´s probably something to be ashamed off...or maybe to be ashamed of yourself.

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