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	HellFlyer	2011-01-10 , 19:57
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My next phone will definitely have Tegra 2 in it

Now lets hope its gonna be Nokia

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	PMaff	2011-01-10 , 20:43
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Originally Posted by lardman

Hmm, Motarola also use those efuse thingies to prevent you loading your own firmware, so not much chance of Meego-ifying it, but the hw spec is pretty impressive (but no hw kb)

Prevent this...prevent that...arrrrgh.
Then these devices are useless.

HW keyboard is a must.
Best phone would be with the mentioned HW specs
(+keyboard), the hack possibilities of Maemo/MeeGo/Linux,
the number of apps of Android (with
or without paying), no Appstore dependency - simple dpkg and similar.

I'll buy my next phone if all this comes true.
;-)

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	PMaff	2011-01-10 , 20:53
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Originally Posted by danramos

Why wouldn't it have cut/paste? Androids have always had cut/paste.

Sure?
:
http://androidforums.com/droid-suppo...paste-how.html

Originally Posted by danramos

Maybe I missed something, though. Where did you hear about how this Droid was disappointing? Disappointing to whom? Citation, please?

I'd say copy and paste as described in the android forum is
bullsh...
Maybe it got better since 12-08-2010?
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	PMaff	2011-01-10 , 21:01
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Originally Posted by cjp

Dock to get a keyboard going, running mobile apps on a comptuter screen... what the hell is the point of this device? Throw in the hugely underpowered battery (1900mAh) and a version of Android not meant even for tablet use, then I just don't see 1 and 1 coming together with this device.

The battery issue also came to my mind.
It reminds me of the problems some people have with N900...

Originally Posted by cjp

BONUS critique: List to yourself the things that the N900 does that the Atrix needs a dock for.

Afaics the dock is just a way to work around the "I do not have a keyboard. PLEEEEZE help!"
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	danramos	2011-01-10 , 21:18
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Originally Posted by PMaff

Sure?
:
http://androidforums.com/droid-suppo...paste-how.html

I'd say copy and paste as described in the android forum is
bullsh...
Maybe it got better since 12-08-2010?
;-)

Yes, I'm quite sure. About the only notable thing to point out is that they vastly improved the selection method in Swype and the new Android virtual keyboard where you get draggable flags on either side of the selected text--makes selecting text by finger MUCH more accurate.

I'm still not sure I follow you. It's a long-press then you pick whether to copy-all, cut-all or select text. You can long-press to paste too. I'm sure you've long-pressed to do things in Maemo. I know I have. In either case, you didn't explain how, as you had postured it, Android was lacking a cut/paste. Please explain.

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gerbick	2011-01-10 , 21:23
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Erm... Android has cut and paste. Has for quite some time. Like danramos said... long press, select all, select text and you can select from start to finish where you want to copy; ditto for paste.

Microsoft Windows Phone 7 is the only one out without copy and paste; and that update is being pushed right now.

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Mr_Ryde	2011-01-10 , 21:53
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Originally Posted by danramos

1) How does a Motorola malfunction in new and strange ways after a few weeks? I mean.. I've got a Motorola Droid. It's run pretty magnificently so far--a lot better than i had expected it would when I got it as my first Android device. Impressively so. So, again.. how?

Oh You have a device that functions perfectly. That must mean that that the devices that I have had experience with and reports from other who have suffered problems must be illusions and lies. Wonderful.

2) I'm sorry--I can't "buy the time"... perhaps by the time Nokia puts out their new MeeGo devices it will have been superceded by two or three HUNDRED other things. You brought up the point, lad. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

You are this threads' typo / spell checker, again, good for you, but there is no player here to be hated. All manufacturers produce a shoddy device from time to time. Consider "the game" hated.

Indeed, you probably DO have a laptop for that sort of thing. But I'll bet you can't undock your laptop's CPU and still have a small, but high-resolution, screen that you could continue to work with, look things up and run out the door instantly if you had to. I think the idea is to make the same device as useful as possible--not to say, "I've got yet another device to do that other function!"

No I can't unlock the CPU, but I don't need to and I am not alone. At the end of the day there will never be a device that fits all people for all the different things they need to do on the move or not. End of story. Simply put, this device is not offering anything, apart from maybe some more speed, than other options current or pending.

Opinion is opinion my friend. Love it or hate it.

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gerbick	2011-01-10 , 22:01
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Out of 24 Droids for two of the offices I support, I saw only one bad Droid. We got a replacement in 3 days, no problems on updates or anything since.

Out of the three N900's in those very same offices, two were faulty within months, the third was returned.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective and experience. So far, my experience with Droid phones has been positive... just not positive enough to have persuaded me against buying a Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S variant for AT&T in the US) instead.

I don't think people are arguing that the Atrix is the end all/say all solution for everybody. It just does a better job than quite a few other solutions before it - N900 possibly included.

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	danramos	2011-01-10 , 22:05
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Originally Posted by Mr_Ryde

Oh You have a device that functions perfectly. That must mean that that the devices that I have had experience with and reports from other who have suffered problems must be illusions and lies. Wonderful.

You are this threads' typo / spell checker, again, good for you, but there is no player here to be hated. All manufacturers produce a shoddy device from time to time. Consider "the game" hated.

No I can't unlock the CPU, but I don't need to and I am not alone. At the end of the day there will never be a device that fits all people for all the different things they need to do on the move or not. End of story. Simply put, this device is not offering anything, apart from maybe some more speed, than other options current or pending.

Opinion is opinion my friend. Love it or hate it.

Well, clearly I can't argue any of this if it's just your opinion. I'll admit that I, and my friends and family who've been following my purchasing habits and themselves purchased a Droid as well, have had very, very few qualms about the Droid and that might taint my opinion of it positive. On the other hand, not living with a Droid and predatory reading through the forums to look for complaints about the Droid taints you negative, too. In either case, it would appear from the positive sales and a healthy modding community built around that specific device, that it has had a particularly healthy and overwhelmingly positive effect on Motorola and on its users. Opinions are like that sometimes--they don't always match up with the reality. But sometimes they do for many of us.