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2011-02-04 , 13:58
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With the recent discussions taking place regarding the future of Nokia and MeeGo I've been thinking about a possible direction that Nokia and Intel can take which would ultimately see them catching up with the likes of iOS and Android, and blowing them out of the water well and truly.

Rekindling my passion for the N900 I've been amazed at the usability of full blown desktop applications like Open Office through Easy Debian, or using the desktop version of jDownloader thanks to ARM Java SDK. Only two things stop using such applications to replace the use of a laptop, screen real estate and raw computing power. Taking this idea forward, I'm struggling to see why with the right hardware a move to desktop applications/distro cannot be made? A 4-5” high precision resistive, high resolution display would handle displaying desktop applications possibly with some dedicated GPU with ease and running a x86 Intel 1.5GHz processor with 1GB of dedicated RAM would run a Linux distro no problem. This would render the argument that Nokia has no mobile applications invalid and negate the need for massive mobile platform development. Using something like Ubuntu Netbook Edition, this would leave Nokia building a strong communications layer for telephony, messaging and communications which they have historical excelled at along with building top notch hardware. Straight away we would have the most useful and powerful repository of software!

What do you guys think, am I being too naïve in my thinking?
 

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2011-02-04 , 14:10
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What do you guys think, am I being too naïve in my thinking?
In a word? Yep.
 
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I think I'm missing your point, because to me this looks like the same strategy the pc industry has been following for years. Use the desktop/x86 software and depend on hardware advances to scale things down without readapting the UI/UX to the mobile user's needs.

If I didn't misunderstand your post, then you might be missing the point of all the new mobile platforms and supporting ecosystem powering iOS and Android.
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2011-02-04 , 14:38
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This was a step in that direction nokia once did when they created the first smartphones, with the communicators...
The first communicators used a desktopos (GeOS, However crippled down a bit and without a PC compatible screen) with intel 386 and 486 processors.

But the way you are describing it with easydebian and such, is the way i WANT to use my N900...
-I want a pocketcomputer with a phone, and not a phone with apps...
and this approach was also what once upon a time made the communicators so legendary.
However, arm or x86 doesnt really matter, if it is running linux.
 

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2011-02-04 , 14:56
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Originally Posted by electroaudio View Post
This was a step in that direction nokia once did when they created the first smartphones, with the communicators...
The first communicators used a desktopos (GeOS, However crippled down a bit and without a PC compatible screen) with intel 386 and 486 processors.

But the way you are describing it with easydebian and such, is the way i WANT to use my N900...
-I want a pocketcomputer with a phone, and not a phone with apps...
and this approach was also what once upon a time made the communicators so legendary.
However, arm or x86 doesnt really matter, if it is running linux.
You make a good point. The N900 was a pocket computer with a phone. Android, and iOS are phones with Apps. The problem with this is it's hard to explain in a 30 second commercial the difference. Apple can say they have 1 trillion apps in their store and anything less than that looks inferior. I find it funny when you ask an iPhone user a question they begin flipping thru screens for a specific app. I just open my browser with a bookmark.

I have no problem with Apps I just don't like the direction it's taking the industry. Now every site has to have a iPhone, Android, BB, WM7, etc... app. Versus just a good mobile website (online/offline). I think WebOS got it right and Qt WRT.
 

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2011-02-04 , 15:00
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The point of all the new mobile platforms and supporting ecosystem powering iOS and Android is to generate revenue to the company that controls it.

If a PC was as locked to WinStore as the Iphone is to AppStore, I would not want that either.

I believe that the original idea here is something Intel in particular do find quite interesting already - and isn't MeeGo already a trimmed down version of an desktop OS, adapted for mobile use?
 

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2011-02-04 , 15:02
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With their own plattform they have their own application market (ovi store) and this brings money. Desktop applications are not touch friendly, its good to have a mobile optimized OS on a mobile phone/computer
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2011-02-04 , 15:36
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Originally Posted by AndiThebest View Post
Desktop applications are not touch friendly
There's no reason what so ever that you cannot build touch friendly apps on a fuller OS.

It's hard to adapt an existing OS to a world of small touch screens. But if you do it that way, you get a so much more advanced environment.

There are advantages to simple environments, and to advanced ones. Potentially, a simple environment will always be faster and an advanced one will always be more powerful.

Either way, you would want the GUI to be optimized for mobile use. But you'd also want to be able to use regular software despite nobody caring to optimize it. Especially since smart phones of this age can be used as a laptop, complete with screen, mouse and keyboard.
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2011-02-04 , 18:35
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
I think I'm missing your point, because to me this looks like the same strategy the pc industry has been following for years. Use the desktop/x86 software and depend on hardware advances to scale things down without readapting the UI/UX to the mobile user's needs.

If I didn't misunderstand your post, then you might be missing the point of all the new mobile platforms and supporting ecosystem powering iOS and Android.
Hi,

Perhaps I am missing the point, could you explain?

What would constitute mobile user's needs? After spending a few days practically using some of the full desktop apps on the N900 I firmly believe it is highly possible to develop the right mobile hardware to run a full distro and apps. The critical success factor for such a strategy would have to be "specialised" hardware as I briefly described in my original post. I agree there maybe some desktop apps that require large desktop real estate but for everyday apps I don't see any need to "mobile-ise" these. It makes business sense as you've already got a large, rich and mature software base ready for users.
 
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2011-02-04 , 18:50
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Originally Posted by Rav View Post
With the recent discussions taking place regarding the future of Nokia and MeeGo I've been thinking about a possible direction that Nokia and Intel can take which would ultimately see them catching up with the likes of iOS and Android, and blowing them out of the water well and truly.

Rekindling my passion for the N900 I've been amazed at the usability of full blown desktop applications like Open Office through Easy Debian, or using the desktop version of jDownloader thanks to ARM Java SDK. Only two things stop using such applications to replace the use of a laptop, screen real estate and raw computing power. Taking this idea forward, I'm struggling to see why with the right hardware a move to desktop applications/distro cannot be made? A 4-5” high precision resistive, high resolution display would handle displaying desktop applications possibly with some dedicated GPU with ease and running a x86 Intel 1.5GHz processor with 1GB of dedicated RAM would run a Linux distro no problem. This would render the argument that Nokia has no mobile applications invalid and negate the need for massive mobile platform development. Using something like Ubuntu Netbook Edition, this would leave Nokia building a strong communications layer for telephony, messaging and communications which they have historical excelled at along with building top notch hardware. Straight away we would have the most useful and powerful repository of software!

What do you guys think, am I being too naïve in my thinking?

Todays desktop OS:es is so damn bloated crap so its time for a change thats were new "mobile OS" is comming to mind.

with touchsvcreen on desktop computers the mobile OS will merge on desktop instead of vise versa...
 
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