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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by turbowei
Hey! I use my N800 every day!
yes, good question. just how many people are using n800, a dead OS with far out of dated hardware.
A couple times a month someone on the train (that I take to work) asks about it and gets excited when I show them what it can do... they all ask "where can I get one?" and are shocked when I tell 'em they haven't been made in years.
I've actually been waiting way too patiently for the successor to the N900 since it (the N900) was first announced (screen is too small, among many other gripes).
I'm sick and tired of carrying around my N800 *and* an ancient SideKick2 (which had its microphone die today). (yeah, I know... but it's got the best keyboard on the market and the best balance of any keyboard phone I've tried).
I really had my hopes up that I'd be able to replace both with that gorgeous N9 that has had the pictures leaked all over (the one that looks like a tiny Macbook Pro), and was thinking that next week, they'd finally announce it.
After reading the Meego excerpts from that memo today... I'm afraid Nokia has lost yet another customer. I'm wondering if I should take advantage of T-Mobile's free phone (any model) that's coming up this weekend (since I've been off-contract for several years), or if I should wait until MWC is over to see what new toys are released.
If not Meego, I'm going Android.
Sorry Nokia... I can only wait so many *years* for a suitable device.
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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by turbowei
That's perhaps what I meant when I wrote this. Outdated hardware and an old OS that still appeal to many -- because the alternative, sadly, is jumping into the icy waters. By incremental updates one could have sustained it and helped it grow. Slowly upgrading the specs of the existing model, combined with trying one out of a few possible changes in parallel (smaller/larger model; capacitive/resistive screen; with or without a GSM module, with or without hardware keyboard) one could have found out what the market wants, while still being able to develop an ecosystem under the same, albeit evolving, OS.
yes, good question. just how many people are using n800, a dead OS with far out of dated hardware.
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2011-02-09
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Very well put, Sopwith.
Had Nokia released a faster version of the N800 or N810 (big screen) with a marginally updated OS (even the one the N900 has) with a phone function, I would have bought it very happily. My N800 would be on a shelf next to my and my wife's pair of 770 NITs.
Instead, they want to spend years working on something that they just end up scrapping, because they spent years working on it... ugh.
Edit: Just look at how Apple does it: New iPad, slightly faster and add a camera. New iPhone, slightly faster and higher res screen. Both are a teensy bit thinner too. Not major updates, but people are clamoring to get them!
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Had Nokia released a faster version of the N800 or N810 (big screen) with a marginally updated OS (even the one the N900 has) with a phone function, I would have bought it very happily. My N800 would be on a shelf next to my and my wife's pair of 770 NITs.
Instead, they want to spend years working on something that they just end up scrapping, because they spent years working on it... ugh.
Edit: Just look at how Apple does it: New iPad, slightly faster and add a camera. New iPhone, slightly faster and higher res screen. Both are a teensy bit thinner too. Not major updates, but people are clamoring to get them!
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2011-02-09
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It's easier to visualise like so...
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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by cBeam
From engadget: "Update: We've now heard from multiple trusted sources that this memo is indeed real, and was posted to an internal Nokia employee system. That makes it one of the most exciting and interesting CEO memos we've ever seen -- and we're absolutely dying to see how Elop plans to shake things up."
I think this memo is fake. Either that, or Elop acts extremely unprofessional. I don't think Elop writes something like that and then distributes it company-wide, which ensures it gets out to the public.
No, it's fake.
It's real. Meego's a goner... although it was never really here in the first place. In four years, when it's estimated phones will have the power of today's PCs, there'll be a market for Meego. Today's not that day, and Nokia can't do nothing for four years.
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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by glabifrons
Very well put, Sopwith.
Had Nokia released a faster version of the N800 or N810 (big screen) with a marginally updated OS (even the one the N900 has) with a phone function, I would have bought it very happily. My N800 would be on a shelf next to my and my wife's pair of 770 NITs.
Instead, they want to spend years working on something that they just end up scrapping, because they spent years working on it... ugh.
Edit: Just look at how Apple does it: New iPad, slightly faster and add a camera. New iPhone, slightly faster and higher res screen. Both are a teensy bit thinner too. Not major updates, but people are clamoring to get them!
They're probably abandoning Meego precisely because they've thrown money at it for years with no return. If you're coming into a company which is watching its market share erode and is almost dead in major markets and product classes, wouldn't pulling the plug on development that's never produced a successful product (sales wise) for those markets be one of your first steps? The N900 was an experiment, not a consumer-class product, and UMPCs were first run over by netbooks and have now been run over again by tablets. Intel might keep Meego alive for its partners to use for x86 tablets, but I don't see Nokia continuing to throw money at it.
Apple "does it" because Apple ***starts with a very successful product***. They leave a few good features out, then the faithful keep buying essentially the same product over and over again as they dole out the withheld features.
Incremental improvements are not going to work with a product that never fired up the market in the first place. Everyone knows what an iPad is; almost no general consumer would have any idea what an N800 is, or even a UMPC. Tweaking wouldn't help in that regard.
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Originally Posted by alcalde
MeeGo is not really a platform yet - the burning platform can only be Symbian. MeeGo therefore may still have a long term future.
It's real. Meego's a goner... although it was never really here in the first place. In four years, when it's estimated phones will have the power of today's PCs, there'll be a market for Meego. Today's not that day, and Nokia can't do nothing for four years.
Hehe, I enjoy the speculation.
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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by alcalde
Spot on.. Nokia are essentially the fat girl at the party now.. nobody wants to dance with her.
They're probably abandoning Meego precisely because they've thrown money at it for years with no return. If you're coming into a company which is watching its market share erode and is almost dead in major markets and product classes, wouldn't pulling the plug on development that's never produced a successful product (sales wise) for those markets be one of your first steps? The N900 was an experiment, not a consumer-class product, and UMPCs were first run over by netbooks and have now been run over again by tablets. Intel might keep Meego alive for its partners to use for x86 tablets, but I don't see Nokia continuing to throw money at it.
Apple "does it" because Apple ***starts with a very successful product***. They leave a few good features out, then the faithful keep buying essentially the same product over and over again as they dole out the withheld features.
But if she loses a little weight and gets a makeover..
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2011-02-09
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Originally Posted by alcalde
So, who is this trusted source that eng*****et refers to? Name? Relationship to Nokia?
From engadget: "Update: We've now heard from multiple trusted sources that this memo is indeed real, and was posted to an internal Nokia employee system. That makes it one of the most exciting and interesting CEO memos we've ever seen -- and we're absolutely dying to see how Elop plans to shake things up."
It's real...
My trusted source says the memo is fake. The name of my trusted source is Jacks, he is a German Shepherd. His relationship to Nokia? He mistook a Nokia phone for a bone. Woof.
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