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2011-02-20 , 09:35
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#1561
He put his money where his mouth is - I'd be more concerned if he didn't. By the sound of it, he did it after the deal was announced, which is quite legitimate.

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2011-02-20 , 09:36
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Originally Posted by pasih View Post
It's obvious that Nokia really doesn't have anything for me in the future, and the only reason I visit this place is because I still have my N900, although I'm probably going to give it away and dive all the way to Android . Last week there were published some beautiful Android phones with 4.3" screens and fast processors. Especially the LG Optimus 3D with dual-core processor, 3d-screen and 3d-camera with dual lenses seems nice At the moment I have my puny little ZTE Blade Android-phone, but I want something better.
Off you piss then.
 
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2011-02-20 , 09:51
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Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
He put his money where his mouth is - I'd be more concerned if he didn't. By the sound of it, he did it after the deal was announced, which is quite legitimate.
Damage control.
For 1 million euro has nice symbolic sound to it in a press? How much he got from selling MSFT stocks in the same day? He had 261000 MSFT stocks.

Why does he use a word "we" when he is talking about MS? Btw, the rest of his family will stay in NA. It's obvious Elop won't be staying in Finland long time. After the Nokia+MSFT deal is solid, Ballmer retires and Elop will be a CEO of MSFT.
 

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2011-02-20 , 09:55
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Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
Yada, yada, yada. MeeGo would provided a mobile OS by April?
It already is a mobile OS - it works on various devices, including the N900. Now, how much is it feature complete, how consistent and sexy is its UI/UX and so on, is a whole different story...

Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
Bollocks. If it could have, it would have provided something that we could use on the n900. It didn't, it won't, and it can't.
You can use it on the N900...


Originally Posted by mishmich View Post
I don't understand psychopaths either - doesn't mean I give them the benefit of the doubt and let them carry on doing what makes sense to them.
In all honesty, I'm pretty much sure that you (or some manager for that matter) don't understand either quantum physics or genetic engeneering, does that mean we should close CERN or various genetic labs across the little rock we call the Earth? After all why would you give those guys the benefit of the doubt when you can't make any sense out of it?

Just because your highness doesn't understand something it doesn't mean it's BS, it just means - you don't understand it.

I'm not saying that Nokia should've put all their eggs in the MeeGo basket and/or gamble their future on it, but your 'arguments' and your uninformed opinion is as valid as of those people that claim the exact opposite -_-
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2011-02-20 , 10:01
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Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Damage control.
It's obvious Elop won't be staying in Finland long time.
Don't blame him. The UK was cold enough, and while Norway can be pretty, I can see nothing appealing about cold bleak places, even if they do have reindeer to eat and vodka to drink.

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2011-02-20 , 10:04
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Originally Posted by richwhite View Post
This was my next (or second next?) post on it:

"Right. The 'trojan horse' term isn't helping proceedings at all, and we don't need any term to acknowledge that Elop has just chased the money. Whether that's being a TH to MS or just offering Nokia to the highest bidder is irrelevant, the end result (or initial goal) is hardly too different."

In any case, your posts were logical, but logical answers? I'm not so sure. From my own humble perspective, here's what would have been the best thing to do:
1) Continue Symbian. The N8 alone sold 5million handsets in its first 2 months, there IS demand for this OS and it's what keeps Nokia afloat.
2) Continue developing MeeGo.
3) Join MS with WP7 so that top-end devices can come out pretty quick, apps already exist, Nokia can hit the North American market etc etc all the reasons Elop gave for the merge.
4) When MeeGo is ready, release it.

This strategy is multi-purpose. Firstly, it keeps the huge userbase in Asia who use Symbian. Whether the OS gets phased out in a year's time or not is irrelevant, keep it going until you put something else on the market. This is especially important considering most of Nokia's earnings are from feature phones, not smartphones. Secondly, it still has 'live' OSs on the market. Thirdly, they have two high-end OSs on the market by this time next year. Destroying existing OSs on the market and putting everything into an unproven one is not sensible.
couldnt agree more, putting your eggs in one basket ia pretty risky, and i bet nokia will significantly reduce investment in anything other than WP7, and thus not giving it a fair chance.

The one OS they definitely need to keep alive is Meego, put that OS in an N8 style and N9 package (for those that like keyboard and those that dont), and put it on the market.

there willl be plenty of people wanting to buy these devices, and jumping ship back to Nokia.
 
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2011-02-20 , 10:21
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Originally Posted by zwer View Post
It already is a mobile OS - it works on various devices, including the N900. Now, how much is it feature complete, how consistent and sexy is its UI/UX and so on, is a whole different story...

You can use it on the N900...

In all honesty, I'm pretty much sure that you (or some manager for that matter) don't understand either quantum physics or genetic engeneering, does that mean we should close CERN or various genetic labs across the little rock we call the Earth? After all why would you give those guys the benefit of the doubt when you can't make any sense out of it?

Just because your highness doesn't understand something it doesn't mean it's BS, it just means - you don't understand it.

I'm not saying that Nokia should've put all their eggs in the MeeGo basket and/or gamble their future on it, but your 'arguments' and your uninformed opinion is as valid as of those people that claim the exact opposite -_-
I can use it on my n900 - provided I don't want to be able to use my n900. Result! I have read through the install process, and what I would end up is an n900 that I could not do much with - less than what I can do now. That is why I don't try it. I did try it on my netbook - and it did very little compared with Unity - although with Unity at least the broadcom WiFi worked (unlike with MeeGo). Hopefully, now Broadcom have released their drivers into the public domain MeeGo might be able to operate on the original MSI Wind variants. The one day we might get 'apps' that run on it (irritating, I know, but people do tend to want to use these devices to do stuff on...)

I can appreciate the point of CERN - it is advancing our understanding of quantum physics. It is funded as such. It is not pretending to produce anything beyond advancing human understanding. It is not making out there will be some use for it. My uninformed opinion comes from having seem all this stuff play out before during my career in IT and telecoms. It isn't science - it is engineering - and engineering is about building stuff, and if nothing is produced, that's a wasted opportunity. What goes on at university is different from what businesses need.

If you are unable to communicate the significance of what it is you are paid to do - don't be surprised if people stop paying you to do it. Obviously Elop wasn't convinced - and the more I hear excuses based on my being uninformed (with my post grad business studies and IT qualifications), the less convinced I am.

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2011-02-20 , 15:45
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Given that half of the drivel are categorically either baseless claims, continued MS (aptly labeled M$) nerd drama or a dislike of Ballmer (he does come off as trustworthy as an used car salesman), you will have a hard time finding arguments for or against this new direction beyond the aforesaid reasons.

That's, of course, not 100% true, but common sense is giving way to conspiracy theory and MS hate for some reason.
Maybe true for some but not for many.
So it's not "common sense".
Many of those who argue against MS have a long history of
using MS and knowing all the strange bugs that MS OSes have.
I remember MS saying all the time that their OS is "much more
stable in the next version" and alike.
Fact is, that it's not that rare to get BSODs with Windows 7.

_That_ is the reason why many here do not want to get
MS on their handies.
And there are many arguments beside "baseless claims"
but based on experience.

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I've officially taken a "wait and see" stance. Despite that, I've also stated that I'll buy a Nokia WP7 phone if it were to happen. Now I have to buy one...
Out of experience with MS I would never do that.
Every time there was some new OS or software from MS the talk
was "it will be more stable less bugs" or "more and better functionality".
Every time we MS plagued users got more instability, more security
holes, more restrictions because MS does not get their security issues straight...
Maybe there was some short light between Win98 and WinXP, but
not really.
I tell you from experience: I AM SICK OF THIS MS-****!

That's the reason why people like me use Linux/UNIX for work.
That's the reason why people try to get away from MS as soon as
possible (if they have the same tale of woe).
 

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2011-02-20 , 16:10
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
I only just recently watched the video from that talk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xNtv...layer_embedded
Frightening how often he mentions the word "advertising"!

Will the future phone in this "partnership" (my impression is, that
Bing and the WP7 is not so much contribution than OVI maps
and the hardware) be something were you get advertisement every
minute or so?
As soon as you turn up email (if it works at all) you get some spam-mail about how great XY is?


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The amount of times he stuttered saying Microsoft instead of Nokia, it's clear where his mindset is.
It is really unmasking.
 
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2011-02-20 , 16:39
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Are you guys serious?

He misspoke MS/Nokia once, when he's talking about MS-Nokia vs Nokia-MS relationship.
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