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gerbick
2011-02-25 , 15:04
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Clearly any scaling of that OS is to be done with a somewhat focus on phones.
Maemo was built upon tablets initially. Sure, you could argue that the 770, N800 and N810 were basically telephones without GSM radios, however let's be honest... they were tablets.

Symbian doesn't seem like it could scale up to a tablet; however Maemo could scale "down" to a telephone. However, I think the argument about scalability and how it relates to Linux is too full of foolishness for me to even begin - Linux has spanned from embedded objects, to watches to machines that could win at Jeopardy and all points in-between.
 

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2011-02-25 , 15:08
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Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
In any case, mobile devices are quickly reaching the computing power of desktop PCs. An operating system that can't actually perform everything that a desktop PC OS does will certainly suffer in that environment.
Wrong. A mobile phone will never be able to fully take over for PCs. The success of the iPhone shows this, by focusing on what that form factor is good at.
 
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2011-02-25 , 15:13
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Wrong. A mobile phone will never be able to fully take over for PCs. The success of the iPhone shows this, by focusing on what that form factor is good at.
I get what you're saying, and honestly can't argue against it.

But the thing is though... tablets need to be more capable than my phone, but less capable than my PC. In fact, tablets based on PC OS's have historically not done well.
 

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2011-02-25 , 15:14
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
WP is a modern engine, fast, compact, reliable.
And you know this because you've seen the code?

Nice try, troll. Peddle your worthless snake oil opinions on down the road.

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2011-02-25 , 15:23
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Maemo was built upon tablets initially. Sure, you could argue that the 770, N800 and N810 were basically telephones without GSM radios, however let's be honest... they were tablets.

Symbian doesn't seem like it could scale up to a tablet; however Maemo could scale "down" to a telephone. However, I think the argument about scalability and how it relates to Linux is too full of foolishness for me to even begin - Linux has spanned from embedded objects, to watches to machines that could win at Jeopardy and all points in-between.
Again, wrong. Symbian actually scaled "down" from palm sized PC's to phones via Nokia Communicators. What went wrong with Symbian was that it got too messy, and no one alive (literally) being able to do a full clean-up, to modernize it.

But let's be real honest. The only success Linux has had is on Android. The only reason for that success is Googles hard line on cutting off all the bloat. In the embedded world as well as the PC, Linux will work, but is seldom used for anything real. The reason being it is a simplistic bloatware.
 
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2011-02-25 , 15:30
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'cause we know we got such timely updates for the n900 /sarcasm.
 

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2011-02-25 , 15:46
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
For you, yes. For the largest manufacturer of mobile phones in the world, no.
Many companies have used Linux before on mobile phones, and in devices with even narrower hardware specifications.

You are just a bunch of Linux zealots. Linux is nothing but a simplistic/brute force bloated piece of software, with the only real advantage of being simplistic. Works well on high spec HW (but so does Windows XP).
And, I hate to say it, you're a highly ignorant anti-Linux person who has a hard time coming up with sound arguments. People don't just accept your "Linux is bad because of something I can't quite nail down, while everything else is superior" argument.

Anyway, tell me what kind of problems Windows Embedded Compact has with scaling up, other than including proper drivers for new HW. Then explain why this is any different for Linux.
Show me where the same Windows core has gone from devices with 1MB of RAM and no MMU to desktops and on up to supercomputers? If you hadn't looked already (and I suspect you haven't) you can flip all sorts of switches when building the kernel to tune it to your hardware, and that goes well beyond just drivers.

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Linux is comparable to Windows 7 (NT) in terms of RT, that is completely off the charts regarding RT but good at running tons of processes where exact timing is no issue, like on a PC.
Wait, is that with all of the (out of kernel) realtime patches that have been applied to it?

For mobile phones, running tons of processes has limited advantage, but RT capabilities becomes increasingly important when the HW spec gets lower and simpler.
RT capabilities only matter in the baseband.

Nokia is in the need for something that also work well in the sub 200$ range to replace Symbian, and that doesn't suck the life out of the batteries in a couple of hours.
Well, if you screw up your power management yeah you'll burn through batteries. This can happen on any OS.

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Scalable for what exactly?
Effectively anything, really.

Clearly any scaling of that OS is to be done with a somewhat focus on phones.
Sure, but just saying "phones" does not give a target.

WP is a modern engine, fast, compact, reliable. Linux is the old smelly, noisy and inefficient steam engine.
So you're pro-Windows and anti-Linux now, only via poor analogies? Can you even make a valid argument?

Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Wrong. A mobile phone will never be able to fully take over for PCs.
Stick it in a dock, add a mouse, keyboard, and monitor. We're getting scary close for the vast majority of users. Or look at Japan, where phone ownership vastly outweighs PC ownership and is the primary computing device for most people.

The only success Linux has had is on Android.
Linux has had success on many, many phones, just buried beneath many layers of other code and even harder to access than on Android. Motorola, many Japanese phone makers, numerous television sets and other consumer electronics devices run Linux. Millions of devices, in fact, run Linux. But you'd never know.

The only reason for that success is Googles hard line on cutting off all the bloat.
Actually, it's entirely to Google being behind it.

In the embedded world as well as the PC, Linux will work, but is seldom used for anything real.
Your ignorance is profound.

Please, ericsson, stop talking about things you obviously have no clue and poor understanding of.
 

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2011-02-25 , 16:17
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Here we go again wmarone you never fail do you to have a go at someone.... Linux for your information has NEVER been the sole and only language before Maemo... just because "just buried beneath many layers of other code and even harder to access than on Android. Motorola" does not make them Linux mobiles... only the N900 was 100% Linux so ericsson has a valid point ! but you just do not see it duh.

I said it before on this thread and will say it again... it is a popcorn thread that will attract all the wp7 fans and god help anyone else that even trieds to argue with them ha.
 
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2011-02-25 , 16:21
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Here we go again wmarone you never fail do you to have a go at someone....
I tend to be skeptical of arguments that boil down to ill defined points of contention.

Linux for your information has NEVER been the sole and only language before Maemo...
What?

just because "just buried beneath many layers of other code and even harder to access than on Android. Motorola" does not make them Linux mobiles... only the N900 was 100% Linux so ericsson has a valid point ! but you just do not see it duh.
No, he doesn't have a valid point. He's making a stab at Linux as a whole; note the argument about real time and low end systems which is the central point of his argument.
 
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2011-02-25 , 16:23
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
Again, wrong. Symbian actually scaled "down" from palm sized PC's to phones via Nokia Communicators. What went wrong with Symbian was that it got too messy, and no one alive (literally) being able to do a full clean-up, to modernize it.
Do you mean from the Psion days? That's honestly still nothing more than a PDA. The prior Communicator series, were merely powerful PDA's by today's standards.

But let's be real honest. The only success Linux has had is on Android. The only reason for that success is Googles hard line on cutting off all the bloat. In the embedded world as well as the PC, Linux will work, but is seldom used for anything real. The reason being it is a simplistic bloatware.
A lot of cars, phones, and other embedded Linux systems disagree with the above statement.
 

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