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#21
Originally Posted by bigboote
Actually, given the history of technology - all of the missed opportunities for truly useful tech and the stupid crap pushed on the public (camera phones - why?)
I would not hire you as a marketeer. I also thought that camera phones were a stupid idea. Till I went on vacations and saw that all people used them.

What most people want from their pictures is small prints of their kids and girlfriend. Camera phones are good for that, and take the hassle out of having to buy film, send the pictures to the lab, etc... got a phone, send the pictures over the net, get the prints in the mail. Perfect for the Joe and Jones.

FYI: I use a SLR, lots of different lenses and photoshop. But I am not the market.



Originally Posted by bigboote
Funny thing that. One day while waiting in a cafe for my breakfast to arrive I whipped out my 770 to check on something and my friend, a total technophobe, practically grabbed it out of my hands when I told him what it could do. He checked his email and surfed the web for ten minutes while his breakfast went cold. Then he says to me, "Hey man, that thing is so cool! I want one! Nokia could sell those things just by paying people to pull them out in cafes and start surfing the web." I was amazed, and my notion that the 770 is just a geek toy and could become a popular consumer device was shattered. So everybody: take your 770 to the nearest cafe or wifi space and just start using it. We could start a revolution!

John

OK. You score a point. Apparently the web is the killer application. Try other friends.
 
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#22
Originally Posted by varis
Very good post, something I was asking for
You are welcome.


Originally Posted by varis
Fixable problem, for example you could just make a tablet with a version of Windows. I hear Windows PDAs have difficulty editing the documents, but still...
You are re-inventing the OQO, and you will have the same price tag. Nokia understood that, and that is why they used Linux and an ARM processor.

Originally Posted by varis
I read that IP will be the most efficient medium for voice traffic in the next few years. Widespread adoption might take a bit longer I figure, say in 5-10 years VoIP devices might be the norm. But this wouldn't help with our scenario as the time frame is different.
You are forgetting an important aspect: price for network use. Spectrum is finite and therefore expensive. Network operators are not ready to lower their profit margin. I think this is the biggest threat to devices like the 770, especially in Europe where operators went almost bankrupt bidding for UMTS licences.

Originally Posted by varis
True in the North Am, not true in parts of Europe, little clue about the rest of the world here. Even in Finland cell phones are paid by the employers for some people, getting the same financing for a tablet might not be that easy.
I live in Germany. Cell phones are heavily subsidized by network operators here. It is a real problem.
 
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#23
Originally Posted by lon
P.S. My biggest problem with the 770 is that now that I actually have a use for mobile-phone data transfer, I am running my bills up dangerously high. The rates the carriers charge are outrageous!

I see that you are beginning to understand who has an ace up his sleeve in this market.

No network = no 770.
 
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Originally Posted by fpp
I don't think this is a valid comparison. The Zaurus was never officially sold outside Japan (where it is NOT dead). It was never actively supported by Sharp as a Linux hacker's device. And (apart from the very confidential 6000) it does not have BT and/or Wifi connectivity builtin. I still love my 760, it's a good PDa and portable workhorse, but it's not a good Internet tablet. The 770 is.
The Sharp zaurus was, indeed, marketed and sold outside of Japan, the 5000d, 5500, 5600 and 6000 were all sold in the US.

What Sharp did wrong was they alienated developers and users by dropping support for their devices almost as soon as they were delivered (the last update for the 5000d came less then 6 months after they released it - this was sold and marketed to developers), and they were not even close to being as active or available to it's community as the 770.

As long as Nokia encourages it's community, it will remain relevent.
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#25
Originally Posted by Jerome
I would not hire you as a marketeer. I also thought that camera phones were a stupid idea. Till I went on vacations and saw that all people used them.
I'll accept that remark as a compliment, thank you.

John
 
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#26
Originally Posted by rr0123
Why isn't blackberry the killer app, and the thumboard the killer addition, like I said in my post above? I don't think there's any doubt about the blackberry's success.
I've never understood the reason of such a success. I think I may have missed something.
I was ready to understand the advantage of push on the security manager's side when I read some times ago a article about the flows. Indeed, as the flows mostly get out he doesn't have to manage ingress flows. But there are replies and the replies are flow that get in!

I've also understood that it's cheaper the push flow is triggered by the operator when it detects the mobile that requested by the mobile itself.

But, let's think about it in 2005-2006. Today major operators offer illimited data subscription. So it's free to check regularly from the mobile.
Today every smartphone is able to use a standard mail reader (understand a Internet mail reader) to read and send messages, even to include attachments as welle as to check regularly for new mails available.

In conclusion, despite the fact that thousands of users checking their mails every minute or so could overload the operator's bandwidth and thus bring the system unuseful, isn't it more adequate, more standard and more proofed to use a common architecture that have been run for over 20 years that is to say : a standard UA and a standard MTA ?

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#27
Originally Posted by =DC=
People usually don't know what they really want, otherwise they would do what they really wanted to do without complaining about being tied down with multiple mobile devices. If you want less to carry, carry less. It's really that simple. Good luck finding an all-in-one mobile device that does all those things right.

I think people are too quick to forget what the world was like without the current mobile devices. Without cellphones, high speed networks, and wifi and bluetooth. We've become so dependant on our mobile and wireless tech, that we would panic at even the hint of loosing the ability to use them.
Yes, it's not easy to know what one really nees, this is one reason why people will opt for a single device - even a limited one - when offered with an overwhelming array of choices. I suppose that is one reason why the all-in-one holy grail of mobile devices will this year be communicators (and smart phones). If people don't know they really need a good PIM suite, they don't want to carry around a PDA. If people don't know they really need a mobile web browser, they don't want to carry around an internet tablet. There is the cost aspect too - a decent device with usable functionality costs a bit, and multiple devices tend to cost even more. (Oddly enough 770 + simple GPRS phone would provide a nice price point in comparison to communicators, the only catch is increased bulk.) If what people need on the move is just checking bus schedules, making a quick note or storing a meeting in a calendar for a later alarm, they will be just happy with a communicator.

On dependence on all new technology - well there is a price on forgetting previous forms of life, but technology answers some real needs as well: broadband for better quality of viewable media, lagfree communication; internet tablets for the same information capacity on the move; wireless connections for integrating all the gadgets we have to use day to day. When technology is widespread you are expected to have it to be a functional member of the society/your subculture. If I am working I have to use the cell phone, because if I'm reachable I can be asked for advice, opinions, and information, making the tasks of others that much easier, and speeding up our corporate processes...
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Originally Posted by varis
Yes, it's not easy to know what one really nees, this is one reason why people will opt for a single device - even a limited one - when offered with an overwhelming array of choices. I suppose that is one reason why the all-in-one holy grail of mobile devices will this year be communicators (and smart phones). If people don't know they really need a good PIM suite, they don't want to carry around a PDA. If people don't know they really need a mobile web browser, they don't want to carry around an internet tablet. There is the cost aspect too - a decent device with usable functionality costs a bit, and multiple devices tend to cost even more. (Oddly enough 770 + simple GPRS phone would provide a nice price point in comparison to communicators, the only catch is increased bulk.) If what people need on the move is just checking bus schedules, making a quick note or storing a meeting in a calendar for a later alarm, they will be just happy with a communicator.

On dependence on all new technology - well there is a price on forgetting previous forms of life, but technology answers some real needs as well: broadband for better quality of viewable media, lagfree communication; internet tablets for the same information capacity on the move; wireless connections for integrating all the gadgets we have to use day to day. When technology is widespread you are expected to have it to be a functional member of the society/your subculture. If I am working I have to use the cell phone, because if I'm reachable I can be asked for advice, opinions, and information, making the tasks of others that much easier, and speeding up our corporate processes...
Well stated varis. Way to get into my head. I guess we are a new breed of people that are quicker to addapt to logical change. And I guess I can't argue with anyone about people that don't know what they want as long as they get what they want. I'll leave that topic to the Dilbert comics.
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The way I see these devices going is into an always-connected "magic magazine". Formwise: a little thinner, lighter, more robust. Functionwise, a thin client (which is all web apps are, really) connecting me to my life.

The Palm LifeDrive needs sync. Google Life - mail, PIM, filestore, all properly secure - won't.

The test I use for new tech is whether or not guys in the pub like it. The 770 has been a big hit so far: granted, we used it for looking up slang (on urbandictionary.com) and taking rounds (sketch) and once we were drunk enough, surfing bizarre porn to massive amusement. But that *is* the mass market.
 
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Yes, all this talk of hardcore 770 usage has thrown my perspective of the device way to the side of the spectrum (the "Geek" side), and I have now had time to look at the device in a more balanced position thanks to feedback of my friends and family. I think Nokia has created a closely centered device with the 770 due to the ease of Internet connection and fairly organized UI, to the Linux foundations and customization features. I see the 770 as not quite "complete" as far as the average consumer or the die-hard gadget geek like myself. The key is that it has done a good job to be the middle ground for these two very different types of users. It will be interesting, no doubt how Nokia and other hardware and software developers tackle the task of catering more to either end of the consumer spectrum. As an IT proffesional with a strong knowledge of Internet and networking technology, I hope to be helpful in building useful web applications and interfaces that cater both user types.
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