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	danramos	2009-09-23 , 13:26
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As followup: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php

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korbé	2009-09-23 , 13:50
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Before judging, would it not be better to await the final version?

Before choosing between Maemo 5, Android and OpenMoko, I'll wait to see the list of packages containing:
- Name of package.
- Version of package.
- Package description.
- Name and e-mail of package maintainer.
- License. (FOSS or not FOSS).
- Package Dependencies.
- GIT or SVN link to source code.
- Etc...

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shadowjk	2009-09-23 , 15:32
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Originally Posted by danramos

Wait.. so stuff like mplayer is being ported over by Nokia employees? It seems like mplayer and other apps were initially being developed by folks that didn't have any knowledge of how to work with the drivers, though. Or did you mean that they jumped on-board after seeing the efforts started? I'm curious about this from the standpoint of trying to understand why more people weren't privvy to things like accellerated video, DSP programming and A2DP (which is STILL an issue). I just sort of expected accellerated API stuff to be much more easily available on a device intended to be open to developers from the start, is all.

Funny that, I think one of the first things I took interest in and was able to discover was the degree of hw support mplayer in maemo had

DSP programming is on the wiki atleast.

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	qwerty12	2009-09-23 , 15:36
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Originally Posted by danramos

Wait.. so stuff like mplayer is being ported over by Nokia employees?

Yes, I don't think they work on it any more but both ssvb (Siarhei Siamashka) and Ed_ (Ed Bartosh) work for Nokia.

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	qole	2009-09-23 , 16:57
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Originally Posted by cristids

Can you give an example of an application open source that you cannot use for free to back up your claims?

Red Hat Enterprise Edition?

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	luca	2009-09-23 , 17:47
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Originally Posted by qole

Red Hat Enterprise Edition?

I think you can use centos instead, if you're not interested in the support options of rhel.
You'll have to come up with another example.

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	allnameswereout	2009-09-23 , 18:43
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Originally Posted by qole

Red Hat Enterprise Edition?

Only the Red Hat artwork and name not, because of trademarks. That isn't related to the source code.

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	Texrat	2009-09-23 , 18:51
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Originally Posted by luca

I think you can use centos instead, if you're not interested in the support options of rhel.
You'll have to come up with another example.

You can't discredit his example solely on the basis of an alternative. Flawed logic.

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	johnkzin	2009-09-23 , 20:56
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Originally Posted by luca

I think you can use centos instead, if you're not interested in the support options of rhel.
You'll have to come up with another example.

Centos is not RHEL. It's an RHEL redistribution.

If you want to use ACTUAL RHEL, distributed by RedHat, with all of the bells, whistles, and services, you'll have to pay.

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DaveP1	2009-09-23 , 21:51
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I get the feeling this debate could go on forever. While, in theory, I am in favor of complete open source software, in reality I am willing to pay for convenience or capability or credibility in certain cases. I am willing to pay for TurboTax in order to do my taxes because that capability does not exist in open source. Furthermore, if it did exist, I'm not sure I'd trust it.

If Nokia wants to add closed source applications to its devices, it then becomes a decision on my part. Is the total package I'm being offered worth the price and other trade-offs that come with it? After all, no one is saying the handset should be free or open although open source engineering exists.

Frankly, living in the US, the openness and cost of the OS is the least of my concerns. It doesn't take many months of a voice/data plan from any of our carriers to exceed the cost of an N900 or of Windows Vista Ultimate.