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2009-11-30
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#92
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Originally Posted by zerojay
Do bear in mind, this forum is international and such detailed aspects of law tend to vary a lot between countries.
The provision of the law that allows backups does not apply to console games because the law accepts that ROM carts and CD/DVD media do not naturally deteriorate in anywhere near the same way, whereas each and everytime you use magnetic media, a slight piece of it is potentially lost/deteriorated.
I'm sure you know much more about this law than I do, which is virtually nothing
But I'm surprised if you cannot backup CD/DVD media due to the principle of detoriation, because that media does naturally deteriorate, to the point of losing critical data sometimes, both with age and with wear and tear in normal use.
I have also seen ROM cartridges which appeared to have deteriorated, but they were rather old tech; perhaps later ROMs were more robust.
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2009-11-30
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#93
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Btw, if you connected a CD/DVD reader to the N900 and read the game media directly using that, would that make emulation legal I wonder? I'm thinking wireless connection here, but a wired connection isn't out of the question.
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2009-11-30
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#94
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It's always the FOSS people that care so much about the law?
Zerojay, do you work for Nintendo? Do you have Nintendo stock? If not, why do you care so much about curtailing this?
Fine separate Nokia from this activity, that's perfectly fine.
But separating the internet community from it, you are fighting a losing battle.
And really removing things from "the app store" (Extras repository) is such an Apple and Amazon Kindle kind of thing to do.
Zerojay, do you work for Nintendo? Do you have Nintendo stock? If not, why do you care so much about curtailing this?
Fine separate Nokia from this activity, that's perfectly fine.
But separating the internet community from it, you are fighting a losing battle.
And really removing things from "the app store" (Extras repository) is such an Apple and Amazon Kindle kind of thing to do.
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2009-11-30
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#95
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Originally Posted by linuxeventually
Yes, many serious FOSS people pay a lot of attention to the law and try hard to remain within it.
It's always the FOSS people that care so much about the law?
FOSS people love free software, but are also pragmatic. Maemo, N900 and Nokia's support provide an unusually positive opportunity at the moment for open source mobile computing & telephony.
If a legal action is provoked into happening and the courts end up siding with the plaintiff, or even if it's just expensive to defend, a possible serious consequence would be no more open-access Maemo devices produced, maemo.org closed down, and nobody else willing to produce open-access devices similar to the N900 either.
That would not be a win for FOSS.
You'd still have your N900. But judging by the delivery delays, I'd never get mine
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2009-11-30
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#96
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Originally Posted by linuxeventually
Don't shoot the messenger man - he is just trying to explain the situation with ROMS etc.
It's always the FOSS people that care so much about the law?
Zerojay, do you work for Nintendo? Do you have Nintendo stock? If not, why do you care so much about curtailing this?
Fine separate Nokia from this activity, that's perfectly fine.
But separating the internet community from it, you are fighting a losing battle.
And really removing things from "the app store" (Extras repository) is such an Apple and Amazon Kindle kind of thing to do.
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2009-11-30
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#97
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Originally Posted by Bratag
Thanks, that's exactly it right there. I'm glad someone actually understands what I'm doing here because it seems like more and more people are trying to put their words in my mouth or are trying to say that I'm saying something completely different and I'm getting quite annoyed with it.
Don't shoot the messenger man - he is just trying to explain the situation with ROMS etc.
I don't care what you do with your phone, ROMs or whatever. I'm simply trying to fix your misconception, that's all.
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2009-11-30
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#98
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The problem right now is that Nokia decided to market the N900 with roms/emulator capability (Youtube video with 30seconds of emulating nintendo games). This whole situation should die down soon enough (assuming Nintendo doesn't start with legal action). Now the question is, whether or not they will add the emulators back in extras knowing the fact that emulators are legal.
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2009-11-30
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Originally Posted by zerojay
A couple references:
That's actually incorrect. Having a copy of a ROM for a game you own is *not* legal. The actual law was written up at a time when software was on magnetic media, which is very volatile. That provision was created to make sure that the user can still use the software he legally has a license to use even if the media it was on deteriorates.
The provision of the law that allows backups does not apply to console games because the law accepts that ROM carts and CD/DVD media do not naturally deteriorate in anywhere near the same way, whereas each and everytime you use magnetic media, a slight piece of it is potentially lost/deteriorated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROM_image#Legal_status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAME#Legal_status_of_MAME
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2009-11-30
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Who is kidding who? Game emulation is what created the surge in old school game interest and the revenue it drives in the industry. Most of the platform emulation for games used by Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft use the same containers developed by the same people that they frown upon.
Were it not for MAME as an example, there would be no old school market for games. They would have been forgotten FOREVER. Not to mention the hundreds (at least) of great games that would NEVER be released and not played again without emulation.
Great examples for a console:
Tengen Tetris- best Tetris game IMO for NES
Summer Carnival- Great NES shooter I never heard of
Over Horizon- Ditto
I could go on and on with examples of great games that are impacting nobody in the pocketbook, but inspire and create demand for the old school game market and revenue.
Were it not for MAME as an example, there would be no old school market for games. They would have been forgotten FOREVER. Not to mention the hundreds (at least) of great games that would NEVER be released and not played again without emulation.
Great examples for a console:
Tengen Tetris- best Tetris game IMO for NES
Summer Carnival- Great NES shooter I never heard of
Over Horizon- Ditto
I could go on and on with examples of great games that are impacting nobody in the pocketbook, but inspire and create demand for the old school game market and revenue.
The provision of the law that allows backups does not apply to console games because the law accepts that ROM carts and CD/DVD media do not naturally deteriorate in anywhere near the same way, whereas each and everytime you use magnetic media, a slight piece of it is potentially lost/deteriorated.