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#91
As soon as my PayPal is up and running again, I'll chip in a few euros as well, because I'd really like the thread title to change to something like "Hello again, Sailfish" rather sooner than later.
Also, CepiPerez is such a nice and helpful guy.
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#92
Computers that can be used for this kind of programming have been around since USB 2.0 , or about a good decade and a half.

Unless there is a particular reason why they are rarely found on the Argentinian secundo mano market they should be had locally more efficient and for much cheaper than can be sent in from abroad.

2nd, if CepiPerez lacks the means to replace his computer then he needs more urgently to build up some resilience.
Suppose he trying hard to do that, the last thing on his need list would be a new computer that makes him feel indebted and pressured to develop for Sailfish.
Unless Jolla and Intex would be paying him a a stable half time salary for example that PC does not look like a good idea unless it would offer that primary income.

You need reliable housing, food, electricity paid, etc..eventually a primary job that pays for all that Sailfish hobby time.

I'm betting that if and when all that is in order and Sailfish is still around he will hello again Sailfish.

Offering help with sourcing exotic hardware such as Sailfish OS phone is another thing of course.
 

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#93
Iam sure getting food and housing is #1.
But that shouldnt keep us from helping.
Btw. Dont forget to continue donations for his work. That, will help him getting stable situation.
 

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#94
It will be a bit before I can throw funds at cepi or anyone new unfortunately..
I'm already donating to a number of people and considering my own current precarious sitch I just don't have the the fiscal fluidity to give more.

The very moment I can...
I'll be setting up recurring monthly to help...
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#95
ste-phan sorry but i am missing the point.
This is not a way to bind cepi to a heavy chain and pretend he spend 24/7 of his time being slave of a donation received.
Is just a way to thank him and possibly make time for his coming back shorter that it would be without it.
I want to state that NO ONE could neither now nor in future, accuse cepi to not being working enough hard for our desire being satified.
On the other hand i trust him, lets see what he did in past, and i know he is linked at the community like everyone else here with good will, so i don't think he will run far away from us.
 

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Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt View Post
ste-phan sorry but i am missing the point.
I don't think thats what ste-phan wanted to say
Giving money instead of hardware is making sure he can decide how to use it. He knows best by himself. i second that and am sorry for not having realized this when blabbling about buying hardware and sending it in my earlier posts.
 

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Originally Posted by mosen View Post
I don't think thats what ste-phan wanted to say
Giving money instead of hardware is making sure he can decide how to use it. He knows best by himself. i second that and am sorry for not having realized this when blabbling about buying hardware and sending it in my earlier posts.
ok, i was misunderstanding..
So at this point, i agree with you and ste-phan
 

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Originally Posted by mosen View Post
I don't think thats what ste-phan wanted to say
Giving money instead of hardware is making sure he can decide how to use it. He knows best by himself. i second that and am sorry for not having realized this when blabbling about buying hardware and sending it in my earlier posts.
My interpretation of the post is that ste-phan is suggesting that donations (at least those that imply a commitment in return) are potentially a poverty trap. I happen to agree with that.

When it comes to money, you have two kinds of people: those who have enough of it, and those who don't. If you don't have enough money, the best way to get more is to increase your stable income. Donations likely mean you will be working for peanuts when you can't afford to do that. If you do have enough money, then the chances are that the donations are a form of economic rent, because you will likely already be doing whatever the donations are paying for.
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Originally Posted by marxian View Post
My interpretation of the post is that ste-phan is suggesting that donations (at least those that imply a commitment in return) are potentially a poverty trap.
Ok, granted.
But wouldn't that apply only if he had asked for donations?
Also i have the impression we are helping him with his productive hobby and not keep him from finding proper work.

Or did i misunderstand your argument?

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Originally Posted by mosen View Post
Ok, granted.
But wouldn't that apply only if he had asked for donations?
Also i have the impression we are helping him with his productive hobby and not keep him from finding proper work.

Or did i misunderstand your argument?
Most people who receive donations will feel some pressure to provide something in return. After all, you are not donating the money for no reason. You are donating because you value their work, which implies that you want/expect them to continue that work.

There's a reason you won't find donation links in my signature or on my website/github.
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