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2008-05-27 , 00:56
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#91
I did it....Had to reflash to make canola work....now how do i get the headphones louder...btw i find canola easier to use than others ive tried ,almost made for joe/jane 6 pack...thanks again
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2008-05-27 , 07:15
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#92
Originally Posted by handful View Post
OVK : well, you can take a look in the past threads about 770. Indeed is quite hard to support the 770 and even more with 2006. 2006 had several issues, that were solved in the 2007 and 2008 firmwares and to be able to support 2006 is really problematic. If you take a look in the threads you will see the list of serious bugs and how they impact on canola architecture.

What I know from the users is that the HE 2008 runs better, and you can actually run the upnp plugin on it, but being quite honest it will always be somewhat of slow :/ we are pushing too much the limits.

If the device is booting this is out of memory exception, that we couldn't even "deal" with the error, there's a process on the device that just kill it (you can see that in the system log) and it's not canola (it's the media player) But this were solved so we cannot complaing on the guys. The only thing I can help you is that : you need to setup a nice swap, and use 2008 at least.

Marcelo
handful: Thanks for the reply.

I been reading these previous threads a lot (I am a new writer on this board but have been following the discussions for quite a while) and You are certainly right: OS2006 is definately not a good platform to run Canola.

I have set up the swap but unfortunately it is not helping. So I probably have to go for hacker editions to make Canola work. I just hope that I don't kill my Navicore (the most important application for me) in doing so...

Anyway, thank You all for the nice app, it is definately something that these tablets need.
 
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2008-05-27 , 07:57
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#93
Originally Posted by OVK View Post
I suppose these problems are related to unsufficient memory on 770 ("a feature, not a bug"). This probably means that there is nothing that I could do to make Canola work on my tablet? Especially because I noted that OS2006 version is not going to be supported any more.
I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.

Btw, OS 2007 HE won't kill your Navicore, but OS 2008 HE definitely does because Navicore (pre-Wayfinder) does not run on it.
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2008-05-27 , 10:21
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#94
2 feature request for canola:

i am currently using canola as streaming client for my vdr. This vdr serves the live-tv channels on the fly via an externalmux script as divx avi 400x240.

The streamdev vdr-plugin server generates a .m3u channels list of the format:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:0,1 arte
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1051-28724
#EXTINF:0,2 Phoenix
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1051-28725
#EXTINF:0,3 Das Erste
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1101-28106
#EXTINF:0,4 ZDF
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1079-28006
#EXTINF:0,5 3sat
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1079-28007
canola opens the list good as "Internet Radio URL" and mlayer displays the channel 1a, so my request would be a new menu called "Internet Video" which accepts the m3u list as Internet Radio does.
The only difference: After mplayer is closed, it should not start automatically to tune to the next channel, but just go back to the channel list and wait there for the next channel selection.

This would make the life for us vdr & N800 users much easier.

The second feature request would be a EPG (feeded from xml, same as the Nokia VideoCenter accepts them) The epg can also be exported from vdr into xmltv format and loaded on the N800 video center.

Would be cool if canola could also load this "Remote EPG" as Nokia calls it in VideoCenter.
 
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2008-05-27 , 11:05
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#95
Originally Posted by pycage View Post
I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.
I have enabled swap (64mb), no help there. Maybe I should try Canola 1 instead of Canola 2 if the older version runs smoother.

Originally Posted by pycage View Post
Btw, OS 2007 HE won't kill your Navicore, but OS 2008 HE definitely does because Navicore (pre-Wayfinder) does not run on it.
Thanks for the advise. I think I stick to OS2006 then.
 
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2008-05-27 , 11:34
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#96
I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.
Hi Martin, indeed we use more memory, but Canola 1 was a totally complete different application, but if we did the same amount of stuff today on Canola 1 it would heavier.

For sure Canola 1 uses less images, less animations etc, etc so if you use it on a 770 it will run smoother. But I think the swap is needed anyways on the 770, because it really helps.

For Canola2 the decision was clear, we needed to evolve so we choose to go beyond the capability of 770, and we pointed out in the release time that the "support" for 770 was indeed limited, and after a couple of betas we figured out that OS2006 was REALLY problematic for our architecture (heavily dependent on DBUS and pynotify for example ) so we really do think it was possible to make it "good" also on 770 :/ not lack of respect for the owners, but is more the thinking of "what can we do next"

@Mtron we were part of the development of Media Center, but unfortunately our guys are on other projects by now : / and I cannot commit ourselves to any new feature from now on. What I can do is, use one of the not-released plugins (video cast) and make it accept the feeds as you said, and rename it to internet videos. I think this would be rather nice, as new websites could be addded by feeds or m3u etc.



*we did exactly this EPG support so for it, I will see if I can get one of the guys that worked in the project to give some training to some students that receive scholarship from us, so they could do this as assignments on their CS courses.

@OVK : indeed, we do have some 770 running "OK" the canola2, but the playback was always a problem. Using dbus on that OS it creates a lot of problem, any different character will simply make the file unplayable, it takes ages to start embedded mode on mplayer, even more to maemo media engine to answer the dbus request (it seems that it gets really confused in the middle) taking sometimes (true: 6 minutes to start a video) it looks like it freezed the device, but actually it didn't it's waiting for the media engine to answer the dbus request. As it never happened in the canola 2 on the other devices, we didn't expected this to happen but on OS2006 is common. For pictures the problem is (ok combined with the heavy screen) is that the disk reading speed is much lower on 770.

If I manage to arrange a little bit of free time, I will set up my 770 from scratch and do some basic setup, and if it works reasonably well I will send you my setup.

@Joepaggi : did you set the master volume (outside of canola) to the maximum? click on the home (hardware button) or the square button on the n810 and click "home" than place the volume at top level, than top it on canola. If you want more than this, theres a way to increase this but it's a hack : / I would not recommed.

@mwiktowy We knew about this guy, it's actually (it was at least at the time) a Dbus problem - related to that I talked later also - and we did some fixes, but What device are you using with what firmware??? please send us the setup so we will try to reproduce it, but it was supposed not to happen on 2008 onwards.

BR guys!

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2008-05-27 , 13:15
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#97
Originally Posted by handful
What I can do is, use one of the not-released plugins (video cast) and make it accept the feeds as you said, and rename it to internet videos. I think this would be rather nice, as new websites could be addded by feeds or m3u etc.
yes, that would be great, thanks! it would be enough just to duplicate the internet radio code, change the icon & make it stop after a track.

And of course, the EPG support is not urgent. Though great News that your project might include this sometimes in future Are you participating in google's SOC Program?

cheers,
mtron
 
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2008-05-27 , 14:00
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Originally Posted by handful View Post
@mwiktowy We knew about this guy, it's actually (it was at least at the time) a Dbus problem - related to that I talked later also - and we did some fixes, but What device are you using with what firmware??? please send us the setup so we will try to reproduce it, but it was supposed not to happen on 2008 onwards.
Marcelo: I am experiencing this on OS2008 v.2.2007.50-2 on a N810. The only major change from the standard firmware is that I have installed the beta rtcomm package.
 
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2008-05-27 , 14:49
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#99
Have had no issues with Beta 9. Love it as usual.
 
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2008-05-27 , 16:32
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#100
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Khalid, this is really odd, because one by one is the same thing.. I think one file is breaking the search : /// if we could find it it would be nice to debug.
I went through all albums one by one and found a few that did not have the album name spelled exactly the way it is spelled on amazon. For those albums, single album cover fetch simply fails. I also found a few albums for which there is no cover art available at amazon or last.fm. For those albums as well, single album cover art download simply fails. After I went through all albums one at a time, now downloading all album covers seems to be working. Earlier, it would start and pretend to complete way too quickly. Now it takes some time and prints its progress in %. I can't tell if it indeed downloaded any cover since I have already downloaded all the available ones manually.

Another problem I am noticing is canola2 sometimes takes a long time to start up. When this happens, it takes 30 seconds or longer for the canola screen to even appear. Once canola screen appears, it gets stuck at "Starting Canola" for 2-5 minutes. It will then finally switch to "Updating Media Library" and can stay there for some time (>1 minute). This problem was worse with beta8. I have left beta8 running like this for half hour before it got to main canola screen. Beta 9 just did this again. It was still stuck at "Updating Media Library" after 5 minutes of launching canola. Every time this happens, I have found that I can kill canola, start it again right away and it will start normally, i.e. I get to canola main screen in 10-15 seconds.
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