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Bijiont is offline Bijiont
2009-11-15 , 13:09
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#91
Why all the comparison and such with Youtube?

Youtube in my honest opinion is crap anyways. If you base a phone choice souly on Youtube you need to have your head examined.
 

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solpete is offline solpete
2009-11-15 , 13:11
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#92
Originally Posted by chrisp7 View Post
more poppycock.
youtube videos seem to stutter for the first few seconds on current firmware, but after than runs totally smoothly. As for video/div x show me a video where this is the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo8DGHUQmtE in the last minute shows stuttering divx playback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYgiOvINlOA stuttering occationally , example at 46 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa3A...eature=related youtube browsing stutterfest



Ok I admit this is drawing needles. I absolutely love the device and will prolly get it myself. My point is that people tend to praise the device more than it deserves. Yes it does play youtube, but not without stuttering. It does do some multitasking (in some sense, i.e., pausing programs) but not as one is used to do on a PC.



As I mentioned - youtube/the browser fully multitasks, as does bounce, as does the Mp3 player - tell me that isnt multitasking - this isnt a iphone mate. All you need to do is look at a youtube video to corroborate this, why are you bothering,
bounce seems to enter some semi-paused state. youtube clips are paused right? Mp3s does multitask yes.

no its not an Iphone, I didnt even bother signing an iphone forum... never liked it. Toy
 
solpete is offline solpete
2009-11-15 , 13:16
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#93
Originally Posted by Bijiont View Post
Why all the comparison and such with Youtube?

Youtube in my honest opinion is crap anyways. If you base a phone choice souly on Youtube you need to have your head examined.
The point is that there is no point in discussing multitasking if the phone is not even capable of playing youtube clips without stuttering (unless there is a fundamental software error / lack of optimization).

Any by discussing multitasking I mean in the sense of praising how powerful the phone is.
 
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Lacedaemon is offline Lacedaemon
2009-11-15 , 13:17
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#94
@solpete

None of these n900 is running the latest firmware as far as I know.
 
attila77 is offline attila77
2009-11-15 , 13:20
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#95
Originally Posted by solpete View Post
This is a clever choice indeed, but what if I want to multitask? Which was really my point. It does not multitask.
Must be my English. The application needs to pause ITSELF. The OS won't move a finger to pause anything, regardless of what view you are in.

So if you cant download at high speeds at the same time as watching, how are you supposed to be able to multitask?
You can. I'm just saying it might impact framerate.

what do you mean by quite ok? It in the eye of the beholder but any stuttering would irritate me. Specially if I want to enjoy a movie
You should then not buy any mobile phones for such purposes. There is no mobile hardware available today that can display all content PERFECTLY under all circumstances.

(Ive seen that even divx quality video stutters on n900)
That is plain wrong. There was either something running in the background (yes, that pesky multitasking), or you were looking at videos that are in a high-bitrate format that is not hardware accelerated. For example, the '9' trailer that comes with the device is 3500kbps MPEG4 video with 192kpbs AAC audio and it can be played back without stuttering.

It doesnt on my x2 3800+
So ? Are you expecting the N900 to overcome something that is not universal on desktop class hardware ?
 
chrisp7 is offline chrisp7
2009-11-15 , 13:20
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#96
Originally Posted by solpete View Post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo8DGHUQmtE in the last minute shows stuttering divx playback

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYgiOvINlOA stuttering occationally , example at 46 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHa3A...eature=related youtube browsing stutterfest



Ok I admit this is drawing needles. I absolutely love the device and will prolly get it myself. My point is that people tend to praise the device more than it deserves. Yes it does play youtube, but not without stuttering. It does do some multitasking (in some sense, i.e., pausing programs) but not as one is used to do on a PC.




bounce seems to enter some semi-paused state. youtube clips are paused right? Mp3s does multitask yes.

no its not an Iphone, I didnt even bother signing an iphone forum... never liked it. Toy
first video - personally I cant see the stuttering, only possibly at the beginning when panning in the first second (caching??)

second video - its outputting to a 1080p TV, give it a break

third video is from September - early firmware - looking at recent videos you just dont get this stuttering at all.

Look Im not saying the N900 is the be all and end all but your comments seem slightly, well disingenuous really. It doesnt stutter youtube videos per say, it does fully multitask - look at this video and tell me it doesnt - just like a PC. http://tr.im/EVtr
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attila77 is offline attila77
2009-11-15 , 13:21
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#97
Originally Posted by solpete View Post
The point is that there is no point in discussing multitasking if the phone is not even capable of playing youtube clips without stuttering (unless there is a fundamental software error / lack of optimization).
BTW you *are* aware that while saying youtube, you are in fact discussing Flash, which is entirely Adobe's domain, and technically has very little to do with the N900 and Nokia in general ?

EDIT: And, note that nearly all stutters 'demostrated' in links above are more likely the result of multitasking. If the N900 has a problem with multitasking, it's that it can't be turned OFF.
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solpete is offline solpete
2009-11-15 , 13:29
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#98
Ok guys I give up It does multitask... But its good to be sceptical and critical, which I was....

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Krosis is offline Krosis
2009-11-15 , 13:32
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#99
It does do some multitasking (in some sense, i.e., pausing programs) but not as one is used to do on a PC.
If it does download a podcast while playing an mp3 while I surf the web with the browser with an IM client receiving messages... yes, that's multitasking...

Your example is meaningless, the fact that some kind of multitasking is too cpu-heavy does not mean that the N900 does not multitask...
 
solpete is offline solpete
2009-11-15 , 13:34
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#100
Originally Posted by Krosis View Post
If it does download a podcast while playing an mp3 while I surf the web with the browser with an IM client receiving messages... yes, that's multitasking...

Your example is meaningless, the fact that some kind of multitasking is too cpu-heavy does not mean that the N900 does not multitask...
yes you are right. I believed that it paused applications except a few (such as mp3 playback) but I was wrong :P
 
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