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2010-02-18
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#91
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Originally Posted by ewan
Originally Posted by ewan
Originally Posted by sio2interactive
see the bold part... for the rest, rarely a human man apologizes without even trying to justify himself... so, I appreciate that bold part, and understand his reasons, even not believing they are a real justification.
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2010-02-18
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#92
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Can the furious zealots and self-proclaimed policeman please take a break?
I actually enjoy finally having 3D games on the Maemo platform. Having been in the same situation as SIO2 (A-Z one man software show, selling many thousands on another platform) I understand his issues.
And having worked with Extras for years, with a bunch of apps in the queue, I also understand the problems we have (flawed comment system, the whole mess when updating a version, etc.)
Which is probably much more than most of the TALKers here ever achieved. Words come easy. Results do not.
I actually enjoy finally having 3D games on the Maemo platform. Having been in the same situation as SIO2 (A-Z one man software show, selling many thousands on another platform) I understand his issues.
And having worked with Extras for years, with a bunch of apps in the queue, I also understand the problems we have (flawed comment system, the whole mess when updating a version, etc.)
Which is probably much more than most of the TALKers here ever achieved. Words come easy. Results do not.
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2010-02-18
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#93
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Originally Posted by johnel
Off course. After apology where he admits that he has taken advantage of community/system to drive his needs.
Can we give the guy a second chance?
Right now his understatements about this make me at least feel bit sad. Like he has no idea that some people take this kind of stuff really really seriously even thought it's only about little games.
I really enjoy those little games and bought hoops and gave feedback. I also gave thumbs up for some version of game, but looks like it wasn´t there any more.
Btw. Do you need to drive updates to games trough whole devel->testing->extras process? Hopefully not.
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I noticed apology but all the other explanations around it makes it look bit vague. You can't justify your deeds with arguments "i have to feed my family". Only way to answer all these accusations is to be humble and not to try to explain your deeds. It has been done, straight apology and humble "shoot me all the **** you can i will take it" approach works. Explaining makes thing just look worse.
Last edited by slender; 2010-02-18 at 13:35.
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2010-02-18
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#94
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Originally Posted by slender
yes, you do.
Btw. Do you need to drive updates to games trough whole devel->testing->extras process? Hopefully not.
and for a good reason, too. "regression" being the keyword
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2010-02-18
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well form what i understand seems that we have alienated a decent software dev for a system that is not seen as stable more work in progress. he had exploited a bug that this site was well aware of..yet they made no attempt to fix it? nokia themselves are basically ignoring the platform and not seeming to support devs either in ovi related problems...here and sygic???? where else is he too go??he even paid his own cash to try and promote thru extras...paying for a service that is fatally flawed. nobody mentions that though. he is a paying customer of maemo,s services and so he should also get a good service???
leave the guy to do what he does and push more commercial games for a dying system. i support anyone who develops and feel that some folks here are to haste in their opinions.
chin up pal..i,ll happily pay for your games as will thousands of others...ignore the bigots!
leave the guy to do what he does and push more commercial games for a dying system. i support anyone who develops and feel that some folks here are to haste in their opinions.
chin up pal..i,ll happily pay for your games as will thousands of others...ignore the bigots!
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by ewan
Not until you turned up. 'Zealot' indeed - as if that's a way to hold a reasonable discussion.
No, he didn't. He said he 'couldn't be blamed' for exploiting a bug because Ovi isn't working yet. That's crap.
In brief:
- You can pay for (and sell) free software.
- You don't have to agree with the philosophy of free software, but the reasoning is pretty clear. It's also clearly nothing to do with getting paid vs not.
- The reaction to the commercial apps has mostly been good. The bad reaction was to the deliberate perpetration of a fraud.
Not until you turned up. 'Zealot' indeed
Here we go...
The religous zealot war has begun.
I think everyone and me have lost more than this argument
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by sio2interactive
It doesn't sound like you get that, even if you can write the best software in the world and give it away to everyone for free, what you did was still abusive, unprofessional and just plain wrong.
Ima: And think that the series of games and the port of the engine to the N900 that I will release, will do just that if the experience is successful
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2010-02-18
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#98
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Originally Posted by twaelti
So if I create an app that satisfies your need for a 3D game on the N900 you are okay with me using whatever means possible to profit from it?
Can the furious zealots and self-proclaimed policeman please take a break?
I actually enjoy finally having 3D games on the Maemo platform. Having been in the same situation as SIO2 (A-Z one man software show, selling many thousands on another platform) I understand his issues.
And having worked with Extras for years, with a bunch of apps in the queue, I also understand the problems we have (flawed comment system, the whole mess when updating a version, etc.)
Which is probably much more than most of the TALKers here ever achieved. Words come easy. Results do not.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by dread123
The more I think about it, the less I think that's true. The process seems pretty reasonable; updates are queued, testers vote, things are promoted after sufficient votes. It seems pretty obvious that people shouldn't be voting for their own packages, especially not multiple times, and there's a limit to how much you can ever really lock this sort of thing down while still having a functioning community system.
he had exploited a bug that this site was well aware of..yet they made no attempt to fix it?
I don't think the system has a bug that can be fixed, because the 'bug' such as it is, is to assume a degree of good faith on the part of community members. We should be able to assume that, and we'll all be worse off if we don't, and instead mistrust everyone all the time.
SIO2 didn't exploit a technical bug, he exploited people's trust.
As for what to do next, if there isn't already a maemo.org policy on how to handle this sort of situation, it sounds to me like it should be a matter for the Community Council to decide whether maemo.org should offer a second chance to this developer - it's not something that we can, or should try to decide in this thread.
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2010-02-18
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Originally Posted by EzInKy
if u mean..by being able to promote your your product so that many more have access to it..and tehn they can make an informed decision if they want to purchase it.....yes
So if I create an app that satisfies your need for a 3D game on the N900 you are okay with me using whatever means possible to profit from it?
if the work is all yours then why not..if the work feeds your family...if it promotes your company...why not...???