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2010-10-28
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Law = 
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by techngro
Humans were born into a natural state of absolute freedom. The only thing that constricts us is the
law. And where does the law come from. Lets see shall we.
When we moved from a natural state of absolute freedom to the more conventional civilizations and societies that we see today, we entered into what many call the social contract. That is WE gave over to certain groups or individuals (throughout history these have been tribal leaders, Kings, parliaments, etc.) a portion of OUR sovereignty and power IN EXCHANGE FOR certain benefits (protection, order, etc.)
People who were born into slavery (when it was legal) and died as slaves... Were they "born into a natural state of absolute freedom" and "gave over to certain groups or individuals a portion of their sovereignty and power in exchange for certain benefits"?
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by anthonie
Well, this is way, way, off-topic, but let me remind you that the OP is simply paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence, which says (in case you don't know) that all humans have the right to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. That's all humans, not just people in our part of town.
Interesting. Inherent to us being humans? Care to share a bit of how it looks when a baby gets born, carrying a small bag with "inherent rights" and waving the free speach one?
Yes it is. Some nations have more, some have less. Hell.. Even within nations some people seem to have more of it than others...
What?
Other nations could go to war with that one. No one told you that?
There is no "inherent right" to labor, housing or getting food in your belly. If there is in the place where you live, than brace yourself for it, for your government chose to grant you those rights (FWIW). You do know that in some parts of the world they have a different set of the "universal" human rights?
Donīt be disappointed. Just be sorry you didnīt seem to have understood the subject yourself...
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by geneven
And the "Declaration of Independence" is - what? A PDF created by God before she started experimenting with clay? Or maybe something that's valid within a certain country (I assume you refer to the Declaration of Independence of your own country) at a certain time and, therefore, is valid only there and only after the time it was written?
Well, this is way, way, off-topic, but let me remind you that the OP is simply paraphrasing the Declaration of Independence, which says (in case you don't know) that all humans have the right to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness. That's all humans, not just people in our part of town.
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2010-10-28
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Thanks alot! Great to see one more whinner dissapears from this forum. I will not miss U (and other whinners that leaves).
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2010-10-28
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Seriously though good luck.
Seriously though good luck.
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2010-10-28
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EDIT: LOL In retrospect possibly rather harsh
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2010-10-28
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Re: freedom of speech/ etc
Can I just say that a 'right' is something that has to be acknowledged and upheld by the rest of society/community/government/legal system for it to mean something.
If you're born as mowgli and you live on your own in the wilderness, you wouldn't give a rat's behind about 'rights' (and wrongs) would you?
So, no, this isn't some natural 'God given' state that's bestowed upon all human being since the dawn of time.
it's definitely a human construct; something that reflects what the society at large (or the strongest lobbying parties?) deem to be appropriate to bestow on its members.
Can I just say that a 'right' is something that has to be acknowledged and upheld by the rest of society/community/government/legal system for it to mean something.
If you're born as mowgli and you live on your own in the wilderness, you wouldn't give a rat's behind about 'rights' (and wrongs) would you?
So, no, this isn't some natural 'God given' state that's bestowed upon all human being since the dawn of time.
it's definitely a human construct; something that reflects what the society at large (or the strongest lobbying parties?) deem to be appropriate to bestow on its members.
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2010-10-28
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Ok, let's move on.
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