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magog	2008-08-07 , 17:50
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Hardware:

HW Pause button (could be used e.g. to pause the music player while I am reading a book)
two MicroSD card slots
more memory (256MB? 512MB?)
faster processor
better built-in keyboard (key separation, tab key, esc)
better bluetooth keyboard performance (I should not be able to out-type the device!!!!)

Software:

"last app" task switch (like alt-tab)
music player improvements
- reorder playlist
- keyboard shorcut for "add to playlist"
- better gapless playback (like amarok)
clipboard tool like klipper
device lock
- allow letters
- allow keyboard input on startup
- allow enter key for okay
- shortcut or HW key to lock device instead of just waiting for timeout
clock
- swap destination and home cities (i.e. I've arrived at my destination)
- search within cities list
- add your own cities
- list of favourite cities (when picking: toggle between favourites and full list)
- ability to edit alarms instead of having to delete and recreate
- alarm dialog has history of previous mp3s chosen
browser:
- ability to select text (enable/disable drag scrolling mode?)
- easy opening of link in new window
- file browse dialog remembers last directory

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	Bundyo	2008-08-07 , 18:05
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	allnameswereout	2008-08-07 , 19:05
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

So, if I have a dozen SD cards, they all have to be Wifi+Storage cards?

Your SDIO cards will have to include a supported WiFi chipset if you want to use WiFi over SDIO. Instead of swapping such cards back and forth one might want to consider a WiFi + storage SDIO card which provides more storage than the current one they're using.

And if I want to hot swap them while maintaining an active net connection (to an IMAP server, or a chat server, or something), then what?

If the active net connection uses 2/2.5/3G nothing happens.

If you are using WiFi you will have to restore your WiFi connection provided your WiFi chipset is supported. With an IMAP server being disconnected for a few moments is usually not a problem because it isn't in use the whole time. If you are using a SSH server you probably don't get a timeout, or you can increase the timeout. Chats can be run using a remote computer.

1 expansion slot for wifi + storage is bad.

Not necessarily in every situation, and not as bad as you're trying to outline.

Especially not if you use external data storage, and/or run many programs over a remote computer (e.g. SSH + Bash or SSH + NX + GNOME or Rdesktop + Windows). Because you have 3G both are potentially convencient solutions.

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	allnameswereout	2008-08-07 , 19:12
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Originally Posted by Benson

(I more frequently one-finger, FWIW; holding the left hand-through-stand, thumb on d-pad, and running right hand up and down the long axis of the screen like a gantry and picking out letters with my index finger is almost as fast as thumbing, and more convenient to transition pointing <--> typing.)

It works to use finger or stylus to type and/or navigate. If a lot of this has to be done, one can keep the device temporarily in two hands. One can also use one hand on the right typing hand, and keep the stylus in the hand while typing.

And if I was in a part of town where I was concerned about the N800 being ripped out of my hands, I think I'd rather have my fingers through brass knuckles than the kickstand.

A common Dutch saying is "Opportunity makes the thief."

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	johnkzin	2008-08-07 , 19:57
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout

Your SDIO cards will have to include a supported WiFi chipset if you want to use WiFi over SDIO. Instead of swapping such cards back and forth one might want to consider a WiFi + storage SDIO card which provides more storage than the current one they're using.

I'm not sure that's a long winded way of saying "yes", or a complete evasion of the question.

If the active net connection uses 2/2.5/3G nothing happens.

Great. So, if I want stable network connections during a card swap, I have to pay for 'em? And be within a cellular reception area, even if I have a perfectly useful wifi network?

If you are using WiFi you will have to restore your WiFi connection provided your WiFi chipset is supported. With an IMAP server being disconnected for a few moments is usually not a problem because it isn't in use the whole time. If you are using a SSH server you probably don't get a timeout, or you can increase the timeout. Chats can be run using a remote computer.

Assuming that swapping your wifi+storage card (with or without also using the HSPA module) doesn't cause your IP address to change, in which case you WONT be able to pick up the SSH session.

Not necessarily in every situation, and not as bad as you're trying to outline.

I'm not inflating the situation. I'm making plain cases for why it would be a problem for me, depending on what they're really doing (the details about the SDIO and SD card capabilities haven't been made clear by them).

Especially not if you use external data storage, and/or run many programs over a remote computer (e.g. SSH + Bash or SSH + NX + GNOME or Rdesktop + Windows). Because you have 3G both are potentially convencient solutions.

So, in order for this to work, I have to use external storage, and/or do all of my real work on a remote machine? I mean, I do use SSH+VNC a bit, but that doesn't mean that I don't ever do things locally.

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	danramos	2008-08-07 , 20:06
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My two cents as someone who owns a Palm Tungsten T5 with a wifi SDIO card.

No.

Avoid it at all costs. I really don't think SDIO is the way to go at all. Period. Oh God, no.

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	allnameswereout	2008-08-07 , 20:11
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Originally Posted by johnkzin

I'm not sure that's a long winded way of saying "yes", or a complete evasion of the question.

Sir, unfortunately your questions cannot be accurately answered by a mere yes or no.

Great. So, if I want stable network connections during a card swap, I have to pay for 'em? And be within a cellular reception area, even if I have a perfectly useful wifi network?

If you want to have a stable network connection you have 3 options:

1) Don't swap the card.
2) Don't use WiFi.
3) Use stateless protocols (ie. UDP) or applications which don't require continueous connection.

The device comes with a 3G chipset so the possibility a customer wants to buy and use a data plan is there. If the user doesn't have a cellular reception nearby and this problem occurs often thenarguably the customer made a mistake by buying and using a data plan. In my country, there is almost 100% 3G coverage, so in my country this problem hardly exists.

Assuming that swapping your wifi+storage card (with or without also using the HSPA module) doesn't cause your IP address to change, in which case you WONT be able to pick up the SSH session.

If swapping your WiFi/storage card changes your IP you won't be able to puck your SSH session.

I'm not inflating the situation. I'm making plain cases for why it would be a problem for me, depending on what they're really doing (the details about the SDIO and SD card capabilities haven't been made clear by them).

IMO your cases aren't very common in normal usage of the device, or there are workarounds to the described cases. I've never swapped the SD card of my NIT, and I don't think many users of the device we're talking about want to do this either.

So, in order for this to work, I have to use external storage, and/or do all of my real work on a remote machine? I mean, I do use SSH+VNC a bit, but that doesn't mean that I don't ever do things locally.

In order for this to work see the 3 solutions provided above and indeed consider to use external storage.

Have a nice day,

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	allnameswereout	2008-08-07 , 20:12
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Originally Posted by danramos

My two cents as someone who owns a Palm Tungsten T5 with a wifi SDIO card.

No.

Avoid it at all costs. I really don't think SDIO is the way to go at all. Period. Oh God, no.

You provide convincing arguments in your posts. Very detailed, I'm thoroughly convinced.

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	danramos	2008-08-07 , 20:32
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout

You provide convincing arguments in your posts. Very detailed, I'm thoroughly convinced.

I appreciate your understanding and your avoiding the temptation to respond with a snarky comment instead of exercising some social skills to elicite an elaboration like SOME people.

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	danramos	2008-08-07 , 20:35
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Oh yeah--something I've kept forgetting to include in my wishlist for the N900 hardware. Rather than slide-out keyboard.. how about a clamshell design? It would help to protect the screen and the keys and provide more area for the screen or speakers above and for the keyboard/thumbpad/buttons like a Nintendo DS. I have to argue to that the Nintendo DS feels pretty good to hold and if it had a keyboard instead of a screen in the middle and a wider screen at the top, it would be perfect as a tablet.