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	Copernicus	2015-09-30 , 15:09
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I'm... honestly clueless as to my own uses and curious as to your planned usage.

I've said this elsewhere before, but for myself, I've gotten really sick of trying to combine mobile computing with phone usage. "Smart" phones today are optimized for content consumption, avoiding any useful forms of user input, and locking down the device against pretty much any purpose other than displaying videos or playing games (all of which originate from tightly-controlled "walled-garden" ecosystems). Plus you've just gotta wonder just how much snooping is being performed by the cellular provider, the OS manufacturer, and various governments...

So yeah, right now I'm using a phone provided by my cellular company for making calls, and my N900s for all other mobile computing tasks. With luck, the tablet (should it ever arrive) will take over those tasks; I've got a portable bluetooth keyboard, and the tablet's screen looks awesome.

It should make a fine portable text and code editor...

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 15:55
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

It should make a fine portable text and code editor...

This part. It seems as if administrative tasks weigh heavily with this purchase with a lot of folks.

Does it bother anybody that a lot of other media consumption, creative (design and development) and other more mainstream (read: modern/casual games, services like Evernote et al) are missing and might never come?

Or... as long as there's a terminal, ssh and Vi, who cares?

	Dave999	2015-09-30 , 16:00
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Originally Posted by gerbick

This part. It seems as if administrative tasks weigh heavily with this purchase with a lot of folks.

Does it bother anybody that a lot of other media consumption, creative (design and development) and other more mainstream (read: modern/casual games, services like Evernote et al) are missing and might never come?

Or... as long as there's a terminal, ssh and Vi, who cares?

It bothers me on a theoretical level but in real life other devices cover the areas, atleast for me.

	Copernicus	2015-09-30 , 16:08
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Or... as long as there's a terminal, ssh and Vi, who cares?

It bothers me that a terminal, ssh and vi are never included on any other mobile device these days, and normally you have to jailbreak/root/otherwise hack the thing to get them (as well as to get access to actually open/save files, etc.).

These items are core to my own usage of computers. So yeah, they weigh more in my book than all the other billions of content-consumption-crap apps available on other devices.

MartinK	2015-09-30 , 16:45
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Originally Posted by gerbick

But with that resolved by that kA charger (hehe) and the crowdfunding portion of this endeavor demystified - what will you guys really do with your tablet?

As I see it at the moment primarily modRana (don't forget that the tablet has GPS

) navigation system and Mieru manga and comic book reader development.

And of course also some "tablety" things like web browsing, manga, ebook and document reading, etc.

That's of course an initial estimate - it really depends what we can manage to get running on the tablet (ScumVM, virtualization, LibreOffice, XWayland, GTK3, alternative distros, etc.) and what we can connect to it (keyboards, USB Ethernet, USB modems, etc.).

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modRana: a flexible GPS navigation system
Mieru: a flexible manga and comic book reader
Universal Components - a solution for native looking yet component set independent QML appliactions (QtQuick Controls 2 & Silica supported as backends)

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 17:13
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I can understand and appreciate this... but at the same time where you're always having to install vi (or vim), terminal, ssh (for the last two, I use Better Terminal Pro) I actually use terminal emulators which have been around for ages.

But as a creative, I have to install a ton of apps that I'd use since no mobile OS includes everything from the beginning. No handwriting capture at OS level. No graphic apps past the camera app and simple tweaks out of the box. Nothing.

You at least get Jolla, which will have terminal and vi from the beginning. iOS, Android & Jolla require me to install something to enjoy it out of the box.

Sadly, out of the box, it doesn't seem like I'll get to enjoy much with Jolla. That's fine. I'll install... oh wait. What I need isn't there.

Developers that can dev what I need don't want it there or don't find it necessary since they'll not use it; so it'll be ignored. Thinking of use cases outside our ourselves should be community.

We use computers differently. I have a laptop that was supplied by work, another I use for my personal work. I use my iPad for meetings where I hate taking in my laptop, and I use my iPad for media consumption. My phone, I use it for communication only - email, voice, text. I've started to use tablets in lieu of paper now. So I use stylus, handwriting input, I create wireframes and even create, code, ssh and deploy websites from my tablet (Ludomade Wireflow, Panic Coda for iOS, Panic Prompt 2, Adobe Comp, Adobe Draw, Adobe Line, Adobe Sketch, AppSeed, Marvel, Penultimate, Procreate among many others) and then I can do what I want on my tablet in my daily operations.

You're right though. Out of the box, no existing mobile OS delivers a wide gamut that includes your needs and mine. But has any mobile OS shown that it could deliver for a wider range of user needs beyond media consumption?

I don't even listen to music on my tablets. They tend to stay on mute, always. I hate notifications by default.

Originally Posted by Copernicus

It bothers me that a terminal, ssh and vi are never included on any other mobile device these days, and normally you have to jailbreak/root/otherwise hack the thing to get them (as well as to get access to actually open/save files, etc.).

These items are core to my own usage of computers. So yeah, they weigh more in my book than all the other billions of content-consumption-crap apps available on other devices.

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 17:15
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Originally Posted by MartinK

As I see it at the moment primarily modRana (don't forget that the tablet has GPS ) navigation system and Mieru manga and comic book reader development.

And of course also some "tablety" things like web browsing, manga, ebook and document reading, etc.

That's of course an initial estimate - it really depends what we can manage to get running on the tablet (ScumVM, virtualization, LibreOffice, XWayland, GTK3, alternative distros, etc.) and what we can connect to it (keyboards, USB Ethernet, USB modems, etc.).

Please bring out Mieru for Jolla. Pretty please, with sugar on top.

	Copernicus	2015-09-30 , 17:28
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Sadly, out of the box, it doesn't seem like I'll get to enjoy much with Jolla. That's fine. I'll install... oh wait. What I need isn't there.

Yes, absolutely. What you need isn't there. What you need is the latest toys available from the App Store or Google Play. If you don't have the very latest toys, you won't get to enjoy much with this tablet.

You have been trained well, my son. The Dark Side is strong within you.

(But honestly, what exactly do you need on this tablet that you can't get by using the Android compatibility mode? I mean, I'm pretty sure you _can_ actually download and run those apps that you download and run on other Android devices...)

mscion	2015-09-30 , 17:57
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

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(But honestly, what exactly do you need on this tablet that you can't get by using the Android compatibility mode? I mean, I'm pretty sure you _can_ actually download and run those apps that you download and run on other Android devices...)

Personally, I think it is good there is an alternative out there besides google and apple.

	pichlo	2015-09-30 , 18:00
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

But honestly, what exactly do you need on this tablet that you can't get by using the Android compatibility mode?

Let me turn that question around though. Why do you need a Jolla tablet when you end up having to install Android apps for pretty much everything? What is the benefit of buying a Jolla tablet with 100 Android apps as opposed to an Android tablet with ONE extra app (the terminal)?

Originally Posted by mscion