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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by qole
Actually Bob, we have an N901 waiting for our main man. His patience has been unending so we've decided to bump up the memory to 1GB. And like you said, we should have that out to him shortly. We're just starting the second coat now.
Congratulations! Your new N900 will be shipped right away*.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by geneven
Ah, the Art of Selective Quoting. You take my quote out of context.
"Or you continue to whine about your disability"
Congrats, you have achieved true offensiveness!
The full sentence was Or you continue to whine about your disability without solving the root of the problem, making your problem someone else their problem as well.
The full paragraph was Now, if youth are able to use a 3.5" correct and without problem while elder are not we might have a special market for those elder. The Nokia N900 O-Series (for Old people). I doubt it will see the light though. So perhaps you need a different manufacturer. Or like everyone else you need to see an ophthalmologist and get yourself a pair of glasses for reading texts. Or you continue to whine about your disability without solving the root of the problem, making your problem someone else their problem as well.
In this lemma all I'm doing is providing alternatives to your Holy Path of 4" 800x480 Nokia Internet Tablet, which you fear will not be released. All the alternatives I find relevant, and the one you quote you define as offense I find realistic and helpful. Do you think suddenly newspapers are marketing newspapers for the elder with bigger letters or do you think you need to 'fix your eyes'? Do you think by default a desktop needs all kind of disability related daemons and options enabled? Ofcourse not. You are an exception to the rule. Even if you find it offensive it is part of solutions to the problem including a mentioned O-Series for the elder. That could very well be a 4" tablet like you desire; I do not know. What I mean with that, is that a specific hardware product in past, present, or future other than Nokia 770/NokiaN8x0 is able to serve you.
BTW, I don't happen to have this disability; I am "elder", as you call it, but myopic. So all I have to do to read fine print is take off my glasses.
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2009-06-02
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Originally Posted by geneven
It is not in Nokia's interest to proclaim "we are abandoning tablets!!"
It is in Nokia's interest to keep the tablet community hanging on and hoping. Nevertheless, because of the delay, Nokia has effectively abandoned further tablet development. Of course it could always resume that development someday.
maemo.org is not owned by Nokia, but people from maemo.org and Nokia are really throwing their weight around on the forums here, and anyone who doesn't notice that is not awake. And in the process, it is obvious that us "normal users" have been devalued.
It looks to me like Nokia decided, "well, tablets failed. What can we keep of value out of this experiment. Of course! The maemo community!" And this is exactly what Nokia has done, with the complicity of Reggie.
We ordinary tablet users have been sold down the river.
This is not the thread for this my friend. I have been trying to point this out for 3 or 4 months now... However, since I am primarily a member of the itT community and am not active at any other maemo.org sites my opinion or any contibutions made, are of a lesser value.
Oh, and before anyone jumps on geneven for being negative, you might want to check the last post in this thread. >> CLICKY <<
His post was a positive one in an otherwise negative thread about maemo.org. The thread was started almost 2 years ago and it pointed to some problems that still exist today.
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2009-06-03
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So, over in the Competitors forum, I just posted about 3 XP based phones, that all appear to be in the 4"-5" screen size, and have a lot of the features _I_ would want in a Maemo phone (multiple USB ports, video out, dpad, 4 row keyboards with dedicated number keys or 5 row keyboards, tilt screen, etc.). All in sizes as big, or a little bigger, than an N800/N810.
It would be nice to see Nokia do something along those lines. Slightly bigger than an N810, dpad, 5 row keyboard, tilting touch screen, USB host, USB client, some form of video out, phone, ARM based Maemo phone. I bet it could easily beat the specs and aesthetics of all 3 of the ones I posted about.
But my main reason for posting about them (there or here) was:
desktop OS device, phone, screen in the 4"-5" range.
I thought it might make some of the 4"+ screen advocates feel a little vindication. :-)
It would be nice to see Nokia do something along those lines. Slightly bigger than an N810, dpad, 5 row keyboard, tilting touch screen, USB host, USB client, some form of video out, phone, ARM based Maemo phone. I bet it could easily beat the specs and aesthetics of all 3 of the ones I posted about.
But my main reason for posting about them (there or here) was:
desktop OS device, phone, screen in the 4"-5" range.
I thought it might make some of the 4"+ screen advocates feel a little vindication. :-)
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2009-06-03
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Thanks but no thanks.
So, over in the Competitors forum, I just posted about 3 XP based phones, that all appear to be in the 4"-5" screen size, and have a lot of the features _I_ would want in a Maemo phone (multiple USB ports, video out, dpad, 4 row keyboards with dedicated number keys or 5 row keyboards, tilt screen, etc.). All in sizes as big, or a little bigger, than an N800/N810.
It would be nice to see Nokia do something along those lines. Slightly bigger than an N810, dpad, 5 row keyboard, tilting touch screen, USB host, USB client, some form of video out, phone, ARM based Maemo phone. I bet it could easily beat the specs and aesthetics of all 3 of the ones I posted about.
But my main reason for posting about them (there or here) was:
desktop OS device, phone, screen in the 4"-5" range.
I thought it might make some of the 4"+ screen advocates feel a little vindication. :-)
Windows! no way i am gonna use windows on my tablet device. And i am a big nokia fan.
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2009-06-03
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
I think you misspoke here or I am misunderstanding. Maemo is not available for licensing on other hardware.
Anyone is free to develop their own hardware running Maemo, or porting Maemo to existing hardware.
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2009-06-03
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Originally Posted by sachin007
That wasn't the point. At all. Not even close. I'm the last person who would suggest ANYONE use a Windows device (of any type).
Thanks but no thanks.
Windows! no way i am gonna use windows on my tablet device.
The point was: 4"+ screen and phone aren't mutually exclusive, with the hope that Nokia might notice this fact. Not that you should run out an get an XP phone.
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2009-06-03
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Ok, I will stop being polite and say it directly: No amount of rendering optimizations, screen quality improvements, and hinting will improve the experience if the letters are too small to read. It's not a sum. It's a threshold for each parameter and only then it is a sum.
Not that much, you say, but it might contribute a little bit to provide a more pleasant experience. So does the screen quality. Its all a big sum which adds up to an end experience. So does hinting.
Rest assured the hinting on Kindle is optimized for monochrome screen, and it probably has a proprietary font as well. Heck, for the first Kindle...
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2009-06-03
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
(a) I have had my eyes checked many, many times, including within the last few months. In fact, I had them checked recently by an opthamologist and an optometrist.
Ah, the Art of Selective Quoting. You take my quote out of context.
The full sentence was Or you continue to whine about your disability without solving the root of the problem, making your problem someone else their problem as well.
The full paragraph was Now, if youth are able to use a 3.5" correct and without problem while elder are not we might have a special market for those elder. The Nokia N900 O-Series (for Old people). I doubt it will see the light though. So perhaps you need a different manufacturer. Or like everyone else you need to see an ophthalmologist and get yourself a pair of glasses for reading texts. Or you continue to whine about your disability without solving the root of the problem, making your problem someone else their problem as well.
In this lemma all I'm doing is providing alternatives to your Holy Path of 4" 800x480 Nokia Internet Tablet, which you fear will not be released. All the alternatives I find relevant, and the one you quote you define as offense I find realistic and helpful. Do you think suddenly newspapers are marketing newspapers for the elder with bigger letters or do you think you need to 'fix your eyes'? Do you think by default a desktop needs all kind of disability related daemons and options enabled? Ofcourse not. You are an exception to the rule. Even if you find it offensive it is part of solutions to the problem including a mentioned O-Series for the elder. That could very well be a 4" tablet like you desire; I do not know. What I mean with that, is that a specific hardware product in past, present, or future other than Nokia 770/NokiaN8x0 is able to serve you.
If you need to take your glasses for myopia off to read a text and this bothers you, you should consider to get multi focal glasses instead. It might be possible you suffer from untreated presbyopia. If you haven't had your eyes checked in a long while I highly recommend you to do so!
(b) I don't need your suggestions about what kind of glasses to wear, thank you very much. I have worn contacts, bifocals, multifocals and single focals, each kind for years.
(c) I only quoted the part about whining because that was the offensive part. When you "put it in context" you didn't remove the offensive part one iota, you just diluted it.
To avoid charges of selective quoting, I left your message above intact. This hurts other readers because it repeats excessive verbiage that doesn't have anything to do with what I am saying. But at least it makes you happy.
To repeat one thing: your language was offensive. If I had included every statement you ever made in your life, it would not have removed the fact that your statement was offensive.
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The problem you describe here is not about farsight or nearsight. It is specifically about not being able to read text in reading distance, such as a newspaper. You can be farsighted [b]and[/i] not able to read a newspaper or magazine or computer screen. So besides that you can use a pair of glasses for solely that or you buy mutli focal. Sometimes, in work environments the environment is adapted to the worker because of their disability. As you can imagine this isn't cheap.
Once you take into account differentiation between different eye related disabilities we can think of how they're dealt with world-wide. I don't know about world-wide either. I know that in my country you can go to a store which sells lenses and glasses and can get your eyes tested for free (as in beer). Only for advanced metrics you'd need to see an optometrist. Heck, you can then even order your glasses or lenses on the Internet where it is far cheaper than in the physical store.
Insurance is mandatory in my country, I don't know about rest of Europe though. This is so that for example when someone who lands in hospital, is covered by insurance, so that person who got wounded is delivered to hospital the hospital can be sure the person pays their bill.
Basic insurance is relatively cheap and you insure what you feel is important although the packages got changed in 2009. So depending on your insurance package you get like 100 or 200 EUR insured for your glasses (or lenses) every 24 months. This doesn't include the frame. Before 2009 you could even file in your tax report the frame and amount of glasses not insured as 'extraordinary expense', which in effect meant that if you are poor you can distract this from your tax expense; this lowered the possibility a poor person could not afford a pair of glasses, but I imagine it was also abused.
As you can see this is different from the United States of America where poor people are not even insuranced which is a strange thought in the eyes of a Dutchman. Meanwhile, right under the Netherlands, in Belgium it is mandatory to vote during elections. We do not have that. So be careful with generalisations. Resumee, in my opinion it is incredibly irresponsible for someone to not care about their eyesight, and I cannot fathom people who are able to buy an internet tablet would not use their money to first solve their myopia. I have the same opinion about presbyopia but I know getting this solved is a bit harder because its more expensive, and it is less known and socially accepted. Although it has always been around.
If that argument means nothing to you I still say what I said various times already: you should team up with specifications of the preferred hardware and convince the Nokia corporation there is a market for it. What that means is that you will together also argue about other design choices. There will be design choices on which you disagree or have to discuss to get consensus. If you weed that out it will be easier for Nokia (or an other corporation) to understand your position.
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