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att	2015-09-30 , 18:11
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Originally Posted by gerbick

what will you guys really do with your tablet? I'm... honestly clueless as to my own uses and curious as to your planned usage.

Reading news and books and magazines, surfing web and watching video on demand like Netflix and YLE Areena in the bed. It will replace my old Android tablet.

Last edited by att; 2015-09-30 at 18:16.

	Copernicus	2015-09-30 , 18:18
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Originally Posted by pichlo

Let me turn that question around though. Why do you need a Jolla tablet when you end up having to install Android apps for pretty much everything? What is the benefit of buying a Jolla tablet with 100 Android apps as opposed to an Android tablet with ONE extra app (the terminal)?

Very true.

But of course, it isn't just that one extra app; I've got an entire suite of programs that will run quite well in a classic unix environment. Ultimately, it's the ability to run good old desktop unix programs on the device that I crave...

szopin	2015-09-30 , 18:25
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Originally Posted by gerbick

and even create, code, ssh and deploy websites from my tablet (Ludomade Wireflow, Panic Coda for iOS, Panic Prompt 2, Adobe Comp, Adobe Draw, Adobe Line, Adobe Sketch, AppSeed, Marvel, Penultimate, Procreate among many others)

Why not just use surface pro, install photoshop instead of 25 apps that each has 1/100th of the functionality and be done with it? JT will have x86 so maybe you can dualboot windows for actual desktop apps (premiere pro? or do you need 25 different apps that each has one or two filters you want to use). With GTK now wayland compatible if we can run weston on JT we should be able to run stuff even without recompile from normal distros, so GIMP/libreoffice etc, rather than windows phone office which has support for bold and italic (and font size, ok, that too)

nodevel	2015-09-30 , 18:59
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Originally Posted by pichlo

Let me turn that question around though. Why do you need a Jolla tablet when you end up having to install Android apps for pretty much everything? What is the benefit of buying a Jolla tablet with 100 Android apps as opposed to an Android tablet with ONE extra app (the terminal)?

Yeah, that sounds about it.

For the system UI.

Last time I tried it, Android was very painful to use on a tablet. Just boring, getting in your way and such. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if there were no alternatives, but webOS 3.0 and iOS were/are both a joy to use on a tablet with their gestures and overall user experience, so Android seemed very out of place with its user unfriendliness (mind that I am talking just about tablet UI, not phone UI).

I don't use Android apps that much on the Jolla phone (even though I expect Kodi to be one of the apps I'll use on the tablet the most and there's no port yet, so the Android one will have to do), but even if all the apps I use were Android ones, I would still greatly prefer webOS/iOS/Sailfish 2.0 user interface and it would definitely be a reason to buy a tablet that provides me with that possibility.

That's what I sometimes don't get when people say "I only use Android apps, so there's no reason to choose Jolla over any other Android phone". Seriously, on the phone, the UI (Sailfish 1.x) makes a huge difference, no matter what apps you use (even though you gain more by having native apps with the 'swipe to go back' and other features).

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 20:00
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Yes, absolutely. What you need isn't there. What you need is the latest toys available from the App Store or Google Play. If you don't have the very latest toys, you won't get to enjoy much with this tablet.

Hmm... to turn this around, you just need what has existed for over 40 years. An easy to implement terminal. In fact, feel free to bicker if bash, zsh or whatever terminal is your favorite.

I know your tone is playful, but let's be honest. As a person also with an IT background, I used to do all of my work on a Nokia 770. The Jolla tablet would more than be efficient in doing that work.

You have been trained well, my son. The Dark Side is strong within you

Actually, I'm now an advocate for the users. Sadly, not many devs think outside of themselves now it seems. **** has just gotten uglier, more inconsistent and almost as unusable as before. Enjoy it while it lasts - those products never reach critical mass and fade away into legends that are oft over-bloated and not worth mentioning unless you're feeling nostalgic.

(But honestly, what exactly do you need on this tablet that you can't get by using the Android compatibility mode? I mean, I'm pretty sure you _can_ actually download and run those apps that you download and run on other Android devices...)

Actually, it's all there in Android. But I'd rather involve as little as possible any Android whatsoever. The tablet, to reach more folks, actually might need more than just a terminal - which I actually do use as well.

I've oft stated this one point in the past... no perfectly fine-tuned piece of hardware matched with efficient software has done well. Ever. Psion, Maemo, MeeGo... all gone, dead, forgotten, still worshipped.

Yet the mediocre hardware and OS (iOS, Android for instance) seems to flourish. It's nothing more than convenience, acceptance rate and marketing somehow makes folks want it more than they should. Embedded Linux should reign supreme. Hell, I'm still waiting on the "year of the Linux desktop" to happen (it won't).

But for bulletproof systems, I use Linux.

It would be nice for Jolla to have a future that includes more people than just a bunch of terminal happy nerds that still bicker over shells, text editors and rarely complete a project that doesn't look (or work) like it got hit with the entire ugly tree.

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 20:02
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Originally Posted by szopin

Why not just use surface pro, install photoshop instead of 25 apps that each has 1/100th of the functionality and be done with it? JT will have x86 so maybe you can dualboot windows for actual desktop apps (premiere pro? or do you need 25 different apps that each has one or two filters you want to use). With GTK now wayland compatible if we can run weston on JT we should be able to run stuff even without recompile from normal distros, so GIMP/libreoffice etc, rather than windows phone office which has support for bold and italic (and font size, ok, that too)

I do. In fact, I use more than one OS per day.

Why limit myself to just Windows, Mac? Apple or Google? Want Jolla to be here tomorrow? Expand who the **** can use it perhaps?

We're here at TMO, formerly ITT. Guess what stuck around longer than the devices that we liked? This site. Apparently thinking outside of your own use cases is nearly goddamn impossible for folks here... still.

My point isn't about what options exist outside of the Jolla tablet. I ****ing own them already and use them... and I test on them too for my job that needs more than few, minor out of the box stuff that seemingly will make you and others happy.

szopin	2015-09-30 , 20:19
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Originally Posted by gerbick

We're here at TMO, formerly ITT. Guess what stuck around longer than the devices that we liked? This site. Apparently thinking outside of your own use cases is nearly goddamn impossible for folks here... still.

Yeah, that's the whole point, this site seems to attract people who actually care about that use case. If you want to discuss best 25 paid ipad photo editing apps... well, wrong site, can't help you with that. Whether it is n900 that fits our use case best atm, or jolla, yeah, devices come and go, yet vi lives on (or emacs, whatever, prefer ed anyway)

	pichlo	2015-09-30 , 21:01
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Originally Posted by nodevel

For the system UI.

Seriously??? That is Sailfish's Unique Selling Point? Then God help them.

In case you did not know, you have a choice of UI on Android, unlike on Sailfish (I do not know about iOS, Windows, BlackBerry etc). Some of them use swipes almost as much as Sailfish.

Don't get me wrong, I use a Jolla as my main phone. Even though compared to my N900 it looks and feels like a toy. But the UI was definitely not the main consideration. And I do not have a single Android app or even Android support installed. Because I consider it counter-productive. If I wanted an Android device with a slightly different UI, I would have purchased an Android device with a slightly different UI. A suit does not a man make.

gerbick	2015-09-30 , 21:32
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Originally Posted by szopin

Yeah, that's the whole point, this site seems to attract people who actually care about that use case. If you want to discuss best 25 paid ipad photo editing apps... well, wrong site, can't help you with that. Whether it is n900 that fits our use case best atm, or jolla, yeah, devices come and go, yet vi lives on (or emacs, whatever, prefer ed anyway)

None of those paid tablet photo editing apps measure up to Photoshop & yes, I know this is the wrong site for that. I'd not waste my time here with those kinds of things.

But here and TJC are the only places to gain an audience with Jolla. Here's for devs/IT/geeks (hey, I'm one too!) and TJC seems to be for folks that fall for the illusion of participation.

Instead, I will keep up my rhetoric and ensure that just more than one type of voice is heard.

Personally, I'm a vi person. Been one since IBM RS/6000 days.