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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 17:51
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Looking to create your own live wallpaper, Galaxy Tab style? Look no further:
http://www.ownskin.com/watch?k=010ubay8vrcr

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 17:54
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Verizon is pumping the Galaxy Tab ads!

http://an.droid-life.com/2010/11/12/...-the-holidays/

It looks like this is going to be a hot seller.

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etuoyo	2010-11-12 , 17:58
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Originally Posted by Rebski

Whoa!! Sorry but that is too much of a bombshell to let pass. Can you back that up with solid information please?

If this is just your opinion then it runs contrary to mine and who cares anyway. However, if you can demonstrate that it is true then you have just ruined my day.

Calm down. No need to panick. I was only hazarding a guess. Apologies if I did not make it more obvious in my post. I am guessing that because Dell Streak came out with something like 1.6. Going all the way to 2.3 and then 3.0 may be a bit of a stretch for the hardware. Maybe I am wrong. Bear in mind that even the Tab was not meant to get Honeycomb. It is only recently that Samsung changed this stance, possibly because they realised that it would lose out in sales to the Android tablets coming out next year which will be running honeycomb.

Also there is a suggestion that Honeycomb may be a tablet exclusive version of android. Dell Streak at 5 inches is much closer to the smartphones (4 to 4.3 inches) than the size we expect for the android tablets (7 to 10 inches). However, bigger factor than just screen size is that for honeycomb to run properly it needs some internal hardware specs which the Dell Streak does not have.

Of course this is just referring to official update channels. Dell Streak is now running 2.2 but I do not think Dell has updated the device to that version but rather was done by the XDA developers. So irrespective of what Dell does they could of course get honeycomb running on the Dell Streak.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 19:23
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This is disgusting. David Pogue (admitted Apple fanboy) takes a stab at the Galaxy Tab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr4_Vj25VWI

It wouldn't be so bad, but he's a popular tech columnist for the New York Times and has even done a few TED talks (in which he's mentioned Apple more than once).

Sad.

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wmarone	2010-11-12 , 19:35
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

This means very interesting things for the future and will make it possible for apps to function across OSs! Win-win-win.

Not quite. Linaro ensures basic compatibility by establishing a common kernel, compiler, boot loaders, and various infrastructure improvements to make sure Linux works well on ARM.

The part that has you so excited:

For the next cycle, the Linaro team is going to build an Android environment on the same kernel and toolchain that we collaborate on with Ubuntu. For folks building devices, picking a board that’s part of the Linaro process means you’ll be able to get either an Ubuntu-style or Android-style core environment up and running at Day 1, which should reduce time to market for everyone.

could be countered by Inigo Montoya. What this means is that they'll use the same tool chain and base kernel to bring their environments up, and quickly, on ARM dev boards.

Android apps still only work on Android due to the Dalvik VM and where Android diverges from the more common Linux stack.

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513	2010-11-12 , 19:56
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

This is disgusting. David Pogue (admitted Apple fanboy) takes a stab at the Galaxy Tab:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr4_Vj25VWI

It wouldn't be so bad, but he's a popular tech columnist for the New York Times and has even done a few TED talks (in which he's mentioned Apple more than once).

Sad.

Yeah but his review isn't that bad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/te...er=rss&emc=rss

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 20:02
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Originally Posted by 513

Yeah but his review isn't that bad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/11/te...er=rss&emc=rss

Perhaps I watched the content out of context

Perhaps it was satire, and I got all defensive.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 20:14
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Originally Posted by wmarone

Not quite. Linaro ensures basic compatibility by establishing a common kernel, compiler, boot loaders, and various infrastructure improvements to make sure Linux works well on ARM.

The part that has you so excited:

could be countered by Inigo Montoya. What this means is that they'll use the same tool chain and base kernel to bring their environments up, and quickly, on ARM dev boards.

Android apps still only work on Android due to the Dalvik VM and where Android diverges from the more common Linux stack.

Thanks for the clarification. But curse you for bursting my happy bubble!

But the Mark Shuttleworth post specifically mentiones this:

Linaro uses the same cadence as Ubuntu and we’re able to collaborate on the selection, integration and debugging of key components like the kernel, toolchain, X.org (still ), and hundreds of small-but-important libraries and tools in between.

He mentions this prior to the statement about Android, which almost implies more than simply the "toolchain and kernel" for the Android build but core libraries as well. This is the impression that I got from reading the article, but I could be wrong.

Forgive my ignorance, but the only separation that I understand between these platforms are the Dalvik VM (easily ported), the binary differences in core libraries (as you've pointed out), and the file structure. It seems that Linaro is attempting to bridge the OSs through overlapping software.

FTA:

If the Linaro team pulls this off, it will mean that Linaro provides an intersection point for the majority of the consumer electronics x86 and ARM ecosystem, regardless of the end OS. I’m sure over time we’ll find more groups that are interested in joining the process, and I see no reason why they couldn’t be accommodated in this cadence-driven model.

Lastly, the opening paragraph:

Congratulations to Team Linaro on their first full release yesterday. For those not yet in the know, Linaro is a collaborative forum with dedicated engineers making sure that Linux rocks on ARM (and potentially other architectures). Staffed by a combination of Canonical and new Linaro engineers, together with secondees from the major ARM silicon vendors, it’s solving the problems of fragmentation in Linux across that ecosystem and reducing the time to market for ARM devices.

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-11-12 , 20:24
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Well, well, well. The Tab deals have already begun!

You can get a Tab via Best Buy for only $549 during black friday madness!!

http://www.androidcentral.com/black-...-about-android

Now this is amazing. Just $50 more than a WiFi only Tablet and the same price as the Streak. Very nice indeed.

I do believe that is a stampede worthy price.

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wmarone	2010-11-12 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt

He mentions this prior to the statement about Android, which almost implies more than simply the "toolchain and kernel" for the Android build but core libraries as well. This is the impression that I got from reading the article, but I could be wrong.

Well, it's a coordination between Linaro and Ubuntu. Android is still an outlier that is based off Linaro, so you have two branches from the same baseline. And Android isn't based on Linaro so there's a divide between "Linaro-based Android" and "Android".

Forgive my ignorance, but the only separation that I understand between these platforms are the Dalvik VM (easily ported), the binary differences in core libraries (as you've pointed out), and the file structure. It seems that Linaro is attempting to bridge the OSs through overlapping software.

Linaro is establishing the baseline, there's no reason that webOS couldn't be Linaro compatible as well, but still wholly incompatible with Ubuntu and Android. On top of that, the Linaro 2.6.35 kernel still needs to be patched so that Android will run properly on top of it.

So it takes some of the very low level base and makes it easy to acquire, and could make bringing up Android or Ubuntu on the same hardware platform easier, but doesn't do much (yet) to ease software portability.