Oh yeah. It's all their fault and they deserve all the c**** thrown at them, so keep it going boys. Let them have it, let's teach them a lesson so they never ever do such thing again. Then we can be proud of ourselves... community at work, yeah!

Even if they had poured out their weekly meeting memo's to public and then spend another week trying to explain it's content to people who at times do their best to misunderstand things, I don't believe it would have made any difference. After all, for many people lambasting someone is the priority no 1, so any kind of openness during development phase is likely doomed to be a PR catastrophe no matter how it's done. So, maybe next time we'll get regular launch for new device. As much as I like to watch the development, constant badmouthing for sometimes more or less trivial things (when there are no real issues to berate at) makes it quite tiresome at times.

Now you are just being deliberately obtuse But yes, I do hope they listen and learn lessons. Yes, pretending to be "open" and "community driven" is an invitation to a PR disater if you are not ready to abide by that promise. Yes, inviting the public to finance the development is an invitation to a PR disaster.

And BTW, I do not see it as throwing c**** at them, whatever c**** is. I see it as a gentle tap on the shoulder: "hey mate, you know that there is a better way of doing that, right?"

I guess we have had this conversation already. I have repeatedly criticized the idea of openness being defined only in a sense that they really would need to publish all internal memos, discussions and even office gossip, spending at least half of their time discussing them with the community even if there is nothing relevant to disclose. I don't see how it could contribute to having releases and products out of the door faster, which is what they need to do. I also have hard time believing that investors would see it as money well spent. But of course, if someone prefers purposeless discussion as a token of "openness" instead of delivery... Those are the very same reasons I have begun to question the whole idea of openness itself.

And if the hostility towards Jolla seen at times here is a "gentle tap on the shoulder", I guess they don't really need an enemy... you know, "the better way" can many times be the worse way.

It's interesting really...
I mean...
You look at the big boys [WP, iphone, android]...
and They do as they wish as long as [bottom line] they produce [relatively] affordable product and service appeasing their investors, the markets and lastly what they spoonfeed the consumer [I say lastly because in the scheme of things at their level..the consumer is last to appease]
Whereas...
Due to the cost for alternative devices..
the consumer takes on a more hefty weight...
the consumer bears a greater deal of the brunt of cost...
it then is more an investment not only of more money ...but of time as well..
An alternative failing means time lost...and personal monies...
Thus the end-users for Jolla "are" more in line with an investor's stake.
A veritable reversal of the normal company-consumer dynamic.
Ergo...it makes complete sense to me that the end users wish, ask, worry, and demand clarity, communication and real conversation with the alternative parent company as to "how things are going, is everything rolling along smoothly, and how is my monetary/time investment paying off"...
So I don't personally see people speculating here or elsewhere as a negative in any way...
Rather the opposite..I understand what those asking, postulating, inquiring, worrying and expressing themselves as culminating in an expressive need of the invested end user trying to find consolation and affirmation that their investment is doing well.

Perhaps the obstacle lies in the fact that alternative endeavours try to run according to what all the other company herd animals are doing...and using the same blueprints of approach that the corp. giants use ...
which cannot work until the alt. endeavour reaches the same plateau of control of it's structure....
To put it succinctly ...
the alt. endeavour's got prob's..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI2nCljcWok

Just because I don't think that Pichlo made this story sad enough.

Maybe it's not the best thread for that.
Looks like Carsten Munk left Jolla.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carstenmunk
https://twitter.com/stskeeps/status/666464364376031232

Oh, now that's a shame. And probably not good news ...

Yes, things seems to be going down in a snowball...

I want to be positive about this. Changing jobs is something normal that allows people to face new challenges.

I hope Jolla will carry on because I don't see any good alternative

I have no problem with ppl changing jobs, we appreciate what they offered so far. We do not ask for explanations, just express the feeling that the boat is getting abandoned once more.