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don_falcone is offline don_falcone
2011-10-04 , 00:55
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#101
Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Why move to technically and secure wise worse package format? Those may not had been the reasons why LSB and LinuxFoundation chose RPM, but nowadays they should be much stronger arguments than the political one that decision has been made.

Technically they are equal, but aren't, RPM supports transactions.
Secure wise they are equal, but aren't, because in practice the embedded GPS signatures in RPM is a better security policy.
google for MITM attack vulnerability
With a very high probability you meant GPG, not GPS. Also, rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.

http://www.rpm.org/wiki/RpmLog

(You don't necessarily know what you talking about, do you?)
 
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2011-10-04 , 01:04
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#102
Originally Posted by don_falcone View Post
With a very high probability you meant GPG, not GPS. Also, rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.

http://www.rpm.org/wiki/RpmLog

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Yep, GPG, weird freudian.

Anyway, deb is inferior on those points.
The security reason should be strong enough.
google for MITM attack vulnerability
 
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2011-10-04 , 01:39
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#103
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris View Post
Wi are so ****ed

Meltemi is not linux!

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/
That "article" is even more confused than the original Register one.

It probably is Linux-based (how else can it absorb former osso/maemo/meego staff?), but probably something terribly unexciting like S40 with a Linux kernel replacing the proprietary one + Qt drawing directly on a framebuffer.
 

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2011-10-04 , 07:50
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#104
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokias-melt...or-s40-at-all/
definitely more confused than the original, citing the old register article which is completely confusing too and says contradicting things about meltemi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Je1CEPkUM
 
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2011-10-04 , 09:03
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#105
I just stopped reading this thread... come on guys!

"Meltemi - what a silly name for a OS" - lowbrow discussion - WTF!
Guys, calm down, this is not the name of a OS, it's the name of a project or call it a version of a OS.

It's like Diablo, Fremantle, Harmattan and now Meltemi.

It's like fruits at Windows Phone or sweet desserts at Android. It's just a naming sheme for people unable to keep version numbering in their mind.

And after Nokia stepped back from MeeGo Meltemi is perhaps just called maemo again. Sadly only for cheap low end hardware. But perhaps more than we could expect from a brainless company.
 

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2011-10-04 , 13:29
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#106
Originally Posted by don_falcone View Post
rpm itself doesn't support transactions, but the Fedora package management does.
Well, you cannot perhaps separate the package format and the lowest level package handling program. (rpm and rpm, deb and dpkg)

rpm has transactions support well tested, widely and long time used. Actually I do not know if other rpm-distributions have enabled transactions support, but the code is there to take:
http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US...e/ch06s02.html
To set up an RPM transaction, you don't have to do much. All you need to do is pass more than one RPM package on the rpm command line.
 
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2011-10-04 , 13:56
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#107
Please PLEASE stop talking about rpm vs deb! That is NOT the topic of this thread!
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2011-10-04 , 14:45
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#108
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Please PLEASE stop talking about rpm vs deb! That is NOT the topic of this thread!
Well I do hope system security, authenticity and integrity are taken seriously in Meltemi also, and it will follow LSB and LinuxFoundation's recommendations and standards. Linux does not need more fragmentation problems it already has.
 

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2011-10-06 , 04:40
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#109
Originally Posted by zimon View Post
Yep, GPG, weird freudian.

Anyway, deb is inferior on those points.
The security reason should be strong enough.
google for MITM attack vulnerability
I'm not sure you understand what a Freudian slip is. Did you LIKE the idea of a GPS signed RPM system, to misspeak it in place of GPG? Otherwise, if it was simply a slip--it's just that and not a Freudian slip.

Although, it would be interesting if they named it Freudian Linux. How would it make you feel, if they named it that? Please elaborate.
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2011-10-06 , 05:18
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#110
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Well... so, it turned out to be a lot of hot air after all.
did you read the "article"?

all that is hot, is the poo in the writers pants when he/she realizes that "man, that was really bad logical deduction!"

e: the dilemma is pretty straight forward:

1) WSJ is right

2) gossip blog is right

pick one you prefer.
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