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2008-09-26 , 16:13
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#101
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
I'm sort of expecting that between the G1 and a Samsung Q1 Ultra (with Ubuntu MID installed on it), my mobile needs will be handled. G1 for small work (Google Reader, light web browsing, messaging, looks like some interesting games will be ported to it as well), and the Q1 for things that would require a bigger screen.

But if I find I still want a middle-sized mobile screen, I may consider the Pandora. I also kind of wonder about the viability of Android on Pandora. That would give them access to everything Android, including that set of games. And since they're both linux based, how much would it take to port Pandora's software layers onto Android? Could be an interesting idea.
Especially considering that as someone (you, I think) pointed out in another thread, they said in an interview that the Android framework is going to run on top of other mobile Linux efforts, it should happen.
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2008-09-27 , 17:52
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#102
Originally Posted by Scarflash View Post
bottom line: pandora's ugly.
I don't find it ugly, but it doesn't seem as pocketable as the n800 though.
The price is competitive, at least in europe (where the n810 goes for around 350€ and I expect the n900 for no less than 450-500€)
 
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2008-09-27 , 18:30
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#103
Originally Posted by luca View Post
I don't find it ugly, but it doesn't seem as pocketable as the n800 though.
Appearances deceive. In fact, with its PDAir case my N800 is bulkier than a Pandora (tested with a Pandora cardboard mockup and with careful measuring). Since Pandora's form factor (clamshell) foregoes the necessity for a case, I'm good with it.

The price is competitive, at least in europe (where the n810 goes for around 350€ and I expect the n900 for no less than 450-500€)
Since Pandora's price will be EUR 249.99 including (UK) VAT, I'd call it more than competitive. Don't forget that the Pandora has two full-size SD slots, two USB ports and a much faster processor than the N810. In fact, I'd almost call it a steal.
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#104
hell, it almost sounds like they stuffed a turbo-charged N800 into a clamshell
 
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#105
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Appearances deceive. In fact, with its PDAir case my N800 is bulkier than a Pandora (tested with a Pandora cardboard mockup and with careful measuring).
Ok, but I don't use any extra case, just the sock (it has to fit in the same pocket where I put my wallet)

Since Pandora's price will be EUR 249.99 including (UK) VAT, I'd call it more than competitive. Don't forget that the Pandora has two full-size SD slots, two USB ports and a much faster processor than the N810. In fact, I'd almost call it a steal.
Yes, that's why I tried to compare it to the possible cost of the n900 (that I just made up).
 
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2008-09-27 , 19:54
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#106
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Since Pandora's price will be EUR 249.99 including (UK) VAT, I'd call it more than competitive. Don't forget that the Pandora has two full-size SD slots, two USB ports and a much faster processor than the N810. In fact, I'd almost call it a steal.
OTOH, it doesn't have HSPA, and still has (effectively) the N8x0 screen, where the N9xx will have HSPA (+ for some, - for others), and may have a higher-resolution screen.

For me, it's impossible to say at this point what the comparative price level for the N9xx would be, but with reasonable extrapolation and the prices luca mentioned it seems more competitive and less steal.

If one's looking for a device now, though, rather than having and being content with an N8x0, I can see trying to score a Pandora rather than buying an N810.
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2008-09-27 , 20:56
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#107
Originally Posted by Benson View Post
OTOH, it doesn't have HSPA, and still has (effectively) the N8x0 screen, where the N9xx will have HSPA (+ for some, - for others), and may have a higher-resolution screen.

For me, it's impossible to say at this point what the comparative price level for the N9xx would be, but with reasonable extrapolation and the prices luca mentioned it seems more competitive and less steal.

If one's looking for a device now, though, rather than having and being content with an N8x0, I can see trying to score a Pandora rather than buying an N810.
I really, really do not want a cellular connection in my pocket pc. For the moment, I only use "road warrior internet" in emergencies, and the GPRS connection I get from my SE P910i is more than enough for that (note that I never managed to get any of my Nokia tablets to pair with the P910i). And for the future, I -- like others have stated -- think there'll be moments when I have my phone but not my tablet, but hardle ever when I have my tablet and not my phone, so I prefer my phone to be the cellular connection. If and when my P910i kicks the proverbial bucket, I'll probably (make that "almost certainly") go for an Android device, so there would be even less incentive to get a cellular radio in my pocket pc.

As to higher resolutions, I find that 800x480 is just about all I can manage at this size of screen and that higher resolutions will only make me use the zoom more often. Pandora has the same screen as the Archos 605, slightly larger than the N800's and generally agreed upon as one of the best in the market.

We'll see about the prices, but remember: Next tuesday I'll be able to buy a Pandora, but not a Nxxx (at least not one that doesn't start with "N8".
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2008-09-28 , 01:02
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#108
I'm kind of torn. I have a windows mobile phone that someone gave me for free for 3g access that I'd really like to dump (or perhaps perform Voodoo on to kill MS). Pairing is practically a must for me, but the G1 is pretty tempting, and that would handle just about everything I've done with my n810

Depending on what people manage to do with the G1 and what t-mobile's Los Angeles coverage is like, I'll probably end up getting one. If it were multi-touch (and I guess 3.5mm audio), I don't think my n810 would have much use.

Hard to say, because I really like that practically any Linux app can run on the n810, and it would probably take some work before that's true on an Android phone. If I have ssh for times when I'm oncall, a decent browser, media player and map software, that covers my n810. The G1, although smaller, also seems to have a keyboard the doesn't suck quite as bad as the n810.

I hope that Maemo can steal some of the cooler open source stuff from Android, and I hope people extend the G1 so you can pair it over bluetooth.

So, yeah, I'm lost, but I really like Nokia anyway. If I decide not to get a G1, I'm very likely to get a Symbian phone (and likely by Nokia).

(/me continues rambling...) My n810 also kind of lost out recently as I've been listening to NPR for election talk... I really wish it had FM so I could easily switch between mp3s and FM. I also think maemo mapper would be a great app to make extendable with Python. Like adding overlays for controlling media players, etc. Ok, I'm way off topic now.
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#109
A Pandora might be an option for developers to start developing for 'N900'. At the very least, to optimize ports. Because I don't have a N800, a Pandora might be an option (given it has 2 SD slots). Thing is, I like Maemo, and I'm not sure I like Pandora design. I would prefer to stick with one corporation, too. Will see...
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2008-09-29 , 16:39
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#110
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
...tested with a Pandora cardboard mockup and with careful measuring...
At first, I shook my head at the thought of you making a precisely-to-scale cardboard mockup of the Pandora.

Then I remembered that I did something very similar while I was waiting for my N800 last year.

Does your mockup have a working, hinged clamshell?

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Since Pandora's price will be EUR 249.99 including (UK) VAT...
VAT is a real killer, eh? The US$ amount listed converts to 183 GBP and 229 Euro.

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
We'll see about the prices, but remember: Next tuesday I'll be able to buy a Pandora, but not a Nxxx (at least not one that doesn't start with "N8".
Pre-order is different than buy.
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