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2010-04-26 , 04:18
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#101
Originally Posted by maxximuscool View Post
I think you just taking it too personal Texrat.
Nope. I'm defending other employees. I might actually be stupid.
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2010-04-26 , 04:19
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#102
Originally Posted by ysss View Post
@abill_uk:
If you comprehend the depth and subtleties of this particular subject, it wouldn't take you long to realize that 'growing' an opensource ecosystem around a platform is not so simple.

Just look at maemo for crying out loud, it's been out there for 4-5+ years and where are all the free flow of software to rival the closed platforms newer than it?? The oss community are not as simple to motivate (and understand) as commercial developers community. YES, if nokia (or anyone) manages to 'harness' this resource, they can get far more in return than their traditional financial investments. BUT, this will realize itself more as a PARTNERSHIP with the community, because, see, the oss community is not that dumb as you thought them to be.

I'm happy to see that you keep finding new things as we discuss more in this thread and i encourage you to be man enough to acknowledge any mistakes if they ever come up
If you read enough of my posts they are mainly to do with the sham way Nokia are treating people especially with this serious usb problem which i think by now should be grasped by Nokia as a serious fault, incidently i would love to see the replacement they are sending out.
Software is just part of it all but my point is that this community will give Nokia a huge huge insight into future developments so when Nokia start to be fair to all there customers i will stop.
My gripe is only directed at Nokia and some on here who will just NOT accept Nokia is in the wrong in any way.
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2010-04-26 , 04:20
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#103
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Nope. I'm defending other employees. I might actually be stupid.
hahah nice one! that is what we are missing from this thread common sense and sarcasm :P
 

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#104
@maxikewl:
sorry to exist above your attention span

some subjects just can't be simplified to do it justice.
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Texrat i WAS referring to the bad design of the usb in my post ok and that is within the Nokia design team so please stop blowing Nokia's trumpet when it is clear they make mistakes.
You're continuing to make another mistake of your own, despite the efforts of many here to disabuse you of it-- while at the same time acknowledging Nokia's mistakes. Again, if you have read the USB thread, you know very well I pointed out very early that a surface mount component was a very bad choice. Just one example.

Objectively pointing out facts != "blowing Nokia's trumpet".

If you want intellectually honest dialog from others, you need to give equally. Thanks.

Now... back on topic please.
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2010-04-26 , 04:23
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#106
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Nope. I'm defending other employees. I might actually be stupid.
AHHHH your HUMAN after all texrat hehehe.
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2010-04-26 , 04:36
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
My gripe is only directed at Nokia and some on here who will just NOT accept Nokia is in the wrong in any way.
Abill, everyone is entitled to their opinions, you have a gripe towards Nokia for the reasons you have stated - that is fair and well and perfectly reasonable - but it does not mean that your opinions are correct or definitive nor does it mean that everyone else must agree with you. Everyone debates from a point of experience relative to the subject and for that opinions will differ.

Whether Nokia is wrong or right is a matter of opinion. Some, like you, will see Nokia as being in the wrong and others will see Nokia doing what needs to be done. Just becuase others have a different view point doesn't make them wrong. Nor is yours, necessarily, right or wrong...it is just your view point, your opinion.

You have made a fair arguement/debate and there are those who will agree with you and there will be those who won't and that is the beauty of a forum...and in this, you, in this case, need to respect the opinion of those who do, respectfully, disagree with you.

For me, whether or not Nokia is in the right or in the wrong is irrelevant. They dont have an impact on my life. My '900 is working great, it does what i want and need it do and the only decision I have to make at some stage is regarding the dual boot maemo/meego and to which i will stick with in the future.
 

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2010-04-26 , 04:50
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Originally Posted by gryedouge View Post
For me, whether or not Nokia is in the right or in the wrong is irrelevant. They dont have an impact on my life. My '900 is working great, it does what i want and need it do and the only decision I have to make at some stage is regarding the dual boot maemo/meego and to which i will stick with in the future.
Hi and thanks for your comments, i dont expect anyone to agree with me, upto them how they feel and think.
I am sure you will not be happy WHEN your N900 does go wrong if you get the responce from Nokia that the people on this forum are griping about, as you have stated YOUR N900 is working fine at the moment (right now i hope it never breaks down on you)
All i want to see is fair play from Nokia and the very fact that we on this community are in our own ways contributing to Nokia's future.
If this is achieved in any way and they give us what we need most in a device then wow we will be happy to Nokia but so far their track record is far from desirable in some respects.
 
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Just look at maemo for crying out loud, it's been out there for 4-5+ years and where are all the free flow of software to rival the closed platforms newer than it??
It's quite simple, really. Had the internet tablets provided cellular connectivity from the start (or a means of adding it) then chances are they would have gained steam faster. I certainly would have considered them, but did not as they would have ended up sharing the same fate as the WM2003 PDA I have: unused.

By gaining the property of -always being on you-, the device is guaranteed attention. The bonus of having on the go internet access even without WiFi (which even my terrible PDA had) truly made an Internet Tablet live up to its name.

Had the 770 or 800 come with an EDGE or 3G option, I'd probably have picked one up ages ago, as would many others have. Instead, we're here now with the N900.

Android got a huge amount of attention (even mine) for being a usable, open source platform for something that was quickly killing off the standalone PDA. And grabbing the world's attention can make all the difference. I haven't seen that from Nokia, yet.
 

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2010-04-26 , 05:10
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
You're continuing to make another mistake of your own, despite the efforts of many here to disabuse you of it-- while at the same time acknowledging Nokia's mistakes. Again, if you have read the USB thread, you know very well I pointed out very early that a surface mount component was a very bad choice. Just one example.

Objectively pointing out facts != "blowing Nokia's trumpet".

If you want intellectually honest dialog from others, you need to give equally. Thanks.

Now... back on topic please.
Texrat i am not in a war with you and if you actually look at some of your posts i have actually thanked you as i agree with what your saying is that not a sign of being equal ?
 
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