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kingstu is offline kingstu
2013-05-10 , 20:33
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#1091
It appears that in China the Google Play store isn't big and many app developers just allow for the download of the apk file. That might work to Jolla's advantage because even with Android compatibility it will take time to get developers to add their files to the store. With the Chinese market it won't be like they are fighting the Goliath Google at the start.
 
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2013-05-10 , 21:23
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#1092
Originally Posted by kingstu View Post
It appears that in China the Google Play store isn't big and many app developers just allow for the download of the apk file. That might work to Jolla's advantage because even with Android compatibility it will take time to get developers to add their files to the store. With the Chinese market it won't be like they are fighting the Goliath Google at the start.
This is a good point and one I completely overlooked in my previous comment.
On this note, we have no idea exactly what Jolla is planning wrt an app/market store of their own.
We have been told to focus on development of apps using the SDK and wait for further instruction when it comes to uploading to any specific repo or store-front, so I can only assume that something is obviously in the pipe.
to this end, there wouldn't be much difficulty in setting up an "android" section in any application store/repo to accomodate ease of searching for apk's
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2013-05-10 , 21:43
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#1093
The thing that BB did wrong about android compatibility is that they went for the numbers. Going for large app numbers and making sideloading not-so-easy has the sideffect of attracting low quality apps from developers that don't want to make the effort to create a native app. On the other hand it doesn't solve the "killer app" problem (as manifested with the N9/whatsapp craze) as a serious company wouldn't want to provide inferior quality, ported app, so they probably won't bother at all. (Even skype, which they clearly took the pains to integrate the apk very well with the blackberry hub, is buggy and feels out-of-place).

It doesn't appeal to the masses who won't switch because of one killer app they use every day (be it instagram, skype, viber, whatsapp, angrybirds or whatever) as sideloading is a bit tedious and there's no legit way to transfer paid apps to your BB unless you already have an android device.

In my book android compatibility must be there for people to sideload things easily (and even be able to run the actual play store) so that they fill the gaps of native apps missing, not as a way to boost app numbers.
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2013-05-10 , 21:47
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2013-05-10 , 23:10
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
What I found odd, is that there's no reference on that site anywhere about their relationship with Jolla/Sailfish.
Not in Partners, Customers, or even in their 2012 & 2013 News sections, I guess it doesn't necessarily mean much.

*doubtful though
That is not entirely true. Try googling usual 'jolla site:myriadgroup.com' and you will find this:
http://www.myriadgroup.com/press/new...2-results.aspx
...new customers and contracts were secured in the growing ‘Connected Home’ market, most notably with Comcast and Jolla which are expected to deliver more material revenues in 2013.
 
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2013-05-11 , 00:34
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Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
The thing that BB did wrong about android compatibility is that they went for the numbers. Going for large app numbers and making sideloading not-so-easy has the sideffect of attracting low quality apps from developers that don't want to make the effort to create a native app. On the other hand it doesn't solve the "killer app" problem (as manifested with the N9/whatsapp craze) as a serious company wouldn't want to provide inferior quality, ported app, so they probably won't bother at all. (Even skype, which they clearly took the pains to integrate the apk very well with the blackberry hub, is buggy and feels out-of-place).

It doesn't appeal to the masses who won't switch because of one killer app they use every day (be it instagram, skype, viber, whatsapp, angrybirds or whatever) as sideloading is a bit tedious and there's no legit way to transfer paid apps to your BB unless you already have an android device.

In my book android compatibility must be there for people to sideload things easily (and even be able to run the actual play store) so that they fill the gaps of native apps missing, not as a way to boost app numbers.
Why I haven't bothered sideloading anything on my Z10.
Can't say I've missed anything either but then I've never missed any "killer" apps with my N9!
If they can manage to bugfix and restore some of the BBOS lost functionality with BB10, this will be a greater saviour for RIM than the Android player.
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2013-05-11 , 03:50
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Originally Posted by nodevel View Post
That is not entirely true. Try googling usual 'jolla site:myriadgroup.com' and you will find this:
http://www.myriadgroup.com/press/new...2-results.aspx
Embedded in a news post relating to their finances, well, at least it's very briefly mentioned somewhere.

Originally Posted by onethreealpha View Post
to this end, there wouldn't be much difficulty in setting up an "android" section in any application store/repo to accomodate ease of searching for apk's
Alien Dalvik solution seems to accommodate for much of this, amongst several (potentially crucial) features to help Jolla's Dalvik implementation outdo BB's.

Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
In my book android compatibility must be there for people to sideload things easily (and even be able to run the actual play store) so that they fill the gaps of native apps missing, not as a way to boost app numbers.
From what I can garner from the AlienDalvik implementation, it doesn't allow this, sadly...
I hope it does, but no one's done it yet, so there must be something about OHA/PlayStore legalities that prevents it from happening
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2013-05-11 , 06:10
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To me, sideloading on BB10 isn't that bad. There is a thread on crackberry forum keeping track of the working bar files for Android apps. Just install DDPB or Chrome extension and you are ready to go.

I have sideloaded a few apps and found ACL to be valuabe. I even feel that I might get a Jolla phone if ACL on Jolla supports decent amount of big name apps.

However, I hope Jolla's ACL has a better interface and gesture than BB10's. Sometimes the back gesture triggers a peek instead of going back....
 
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2013-05-11 , 12:29
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Originally Posted by Hacker View Post
But Google may want to keep an advantage by staying one Android version ahead.

The real question is, can these software companies (Sailfish and BB) keep up with Google's update cycle because I'm not sure what, if anything, keeps them off the lead lap of the race. What I AM certain about is that being off of the lead lap results in a noticeable and potentially serious software disadvantage.

So, is it technologically feasible for a company to keep its Android compatibility current with Android itself???? Can/does Google do something to handicap the Android compatibility of companies like Jolla and BB to keep them at least one step behind?

Enquiring minds want to know . . .
The vast majority of Android phone are not on the latest version of Android, like 95%. Actual more than half are more than one version behind. So it is no big deal if you're just one version behind, is still better than most Android phones.

Edit: My numbers are way off, still had the figures in my head of a few months ago. My point still stands though.
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