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Originally Posted by marxian
It's a nice romantic tune, but we live in a smartphone world that's utterly dominated by that platform...
I don't need no crappy Android
Jolla leave them droids alone
Hey! Jolla! Leave them droids alone!
I just want another GNU/Linux phone
From 'Another Ad on the Droid' by Pink Droid
If Sailfish is to become truly competitive/viable, it needs to draw interest from that crowd, a GNU/Linux phone only won't cut it any more unfortunately.
Comparing HTML5-centric platforms that aren't relying on Android is different....
Ubuntu's not HTML5-centric & isn't relying on a ACL, but it has other tricks up it's sleeve, some which Jolla can't replicate.
Actually I may be mistaken, but IIRC Tizen's using OpenACL for Android compatibility, either that or there's a BIG porting effort.
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2013-05-11
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Originally Posted by jalyst
People who want Android will buy an Android device. There are plenty to choose from, and they deliver a better Android experience that these sub-par alternatives. Enabling use of Android applications will simply discourage developers from making the effort to write applications using the native APIs. Why bother to target only $NICHE_PLATFORM when you can target Android, plus the others as a bonus.
It's a nice romantic tune, but we live in a smartphone world that's utterly dominated by that platform...
If it's to survive, it needs to draw interest from that crowd, a GNU/Linux phone only won't cut it any more, unfortunately.
Comparing HTML5-centric platforms that aren't relying on Android is different....
Ubuntu's not HTML5-centric & isn't relying on a ACL, but it has other tricks up it's sleeve, some which Jolla can't replicate.
Actually I may be mistaken, but IIRC Tizen's using OpenACL for Android compatibility, either that or there's a big porting effort.
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2013-05-11
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Originally Posted by marxian
Disagree, they won't bother at all if they're not at least initially lead down the garden path...
Enabling use of Android applications will simply discourage developers from making the effort to write applications using the native APIs.
The way AD works (as I understand it), is that it attempts to make the Android app "native" as much as possible, the dev can be as actively involved (or not) in that process as they want.
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Originally Posted by jalyst
We'll see, as the Zen Master said. The problem is that they don't need to bother, if they are going to use Android as the main target. The applications will still work 'as is' on these other platforms. The eyes of a Sailfish/BB10 user are just as valuable as the eyes of an Android user. It doesn't matter who sees or clicks on the ad.
Disagree, they won't bother at all if they're not at least initially lead down the garden path...
The way AD works (as I understand it), is that it attempts to make the Android app "native" as much as possible, the dev can be as actively involved (or not) in that process as they want.
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2013-05-11
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All I know is that not taking that approach definitely hasn't worked so far...
It has to be done well or not all, if it's shite then they may as well have focused on Necessitas or porting like Canonical (supposedly) is, at which point they could be in lots of trouble.
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It has to be done well or not all, if it's shite then they may as well have focused on Necessitas or porting like Canonical (supposedly) is, at which point they could be in lots of trouble.
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2013-05-11
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Who cares about "dominating Android" for got sake people should get over it. If people want Android apps get an Samsung device. Android will not work good on SailfishOS anyway. SailfishOS == SwipeOS and no buttons.
It's a nice romantic tune, but we live in a smartphone world that's utterly dominated by that platform...
If it's to survive, it needs to draw interest from that crowd, a GNU/Linux phone only won't cut it any more, unfortunately.
Comparing HTML5-centric platforms that aren't relying on Android is different....
Ubuntu's not HTML5-centric & isn't relying on a ACL, but it has other tricks up it's sleeve, some which Jolla can't replicate.
Actually I may be mistaken, but IIRC Tizen's using OpenACL for Android compatibility, either that or there's a big porting effort.
Second, I dont beleive a **** that Android support will help Jolla in any way et all.
Instead it may hurt them. Because developers will port even less apps to Silica and instead saying "hey, you can install our Android version on your device" and then the endusers wonder why on earth he bought this jolladevice when none of the apps is using the swipeUI etc...
Personally I will not install ANY android apps on my device.
Its like the beginning of 2000 when many sites said: "You must have IE if you want to enter this site". Or MSN. Did I install IE or MSN chat? No I Din't I just f***cke them and I will do the same with Instagram and similar sites if they don't have native support for sailfish.
Third if you are a person who is "with the steam" I just wonder why on earth you even bother to go for small platform like Salfish? Its not for you. Atleast not until we know if the new platform success. But if we only see Android apps the platform is doomed thats for sure...
Btw. I reply Jatalyst now. But this is a reply to all Android related posts
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2013-05-11
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
It'll hurt them way more when "user Johnny" demographic realises he can't get XYZ apps or content because;
Instead it may hurt them. Because developers will not port apps to Silica and instead saying "hey, you can install our Android version on your Jolla device" and then the endusers wonder why on earth he boughty this device when none of the apps is using the swipeUI etc...
(a) the community still hasn't provided decent alternatives
(b) the developers/content_providers still aren't interested in getting involved in that community
He'll just stick to his big collection in iOS, Android, Other, he'd be mad not to, Or...
If he's a total n00b he'll be constantly referred to iOS/Android/Other because; "there's way more good apps/content, the OS is pretty good (if not better), & still somewhat hack-able, if one is so inclined."
It's a recipe for remaining forever niche, always quite a few steps behind in many respects, & eventually (possibly) totally redundant, all just to cater to a certain hard-core user demographic.
Do Android ACL well & that may not be the case longer-term, else don't do it & a have a fcking massive porting program in place, which I haven't seen them doing much of at all.
Do both but the latter on a more conservative scale & over a longer period of time, get much better & more efficient at it over time, + get more resources for it etc, is a better approach.
Another better approach may have been to start aggressively porting much sooner than they have, & not bother w/a ACL at all, but that's not a option any more.
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Originally Posted by jalyst
So what? Send a message to the lazy coders at those companys who does not provide support. Or realize facts that Sailfish small platform means less apps == not for those who want 100% support of all apps.
It'll hurt them way more when user Johnny realises he can't get xyz apps or media because;
(a) the community still hasn't provided decent alternatives
(b) the developers/content_providers still aren't interested in getting involved in that community
Btw. edited my post to make my point a bit more clear.
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There are so many android apps out there that it is not feasible to expect all the developers to write them for Sailfish. At least with being able to sideload then the apps that might be useful will still be available. I am thinking of banking apps and more local apps where sometimes just being able to use it even if it isn't the best is still useful. Some people may never need to use any android apps. Some people will never need to use developer mode. But it's nice to have that option should one desire it.
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