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2012-09-03 , 04:25
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#1121
Windows Emulator
or
Wine Is Not an Emulator

You decide.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread but we don't know yet what equipment Jolla is going to use, how big the screen is going to be, how powerful and what type the processor is.

Just for sake of discussion for the new Jolla phones if we could have a wine like thingy for windows phone 8 and ACL for android plus qt and html5 why not?

How about this kickstand on a Jolla device?
http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/09/02/r...ures-included/
or have it be part of a case shipped with the phone and the case also has this as part of it http://www.redferret.net/?p=32993


Really wish my N9 had a kickstand so I'm kicking around ideas on how to machine myself a new case with kickstand for the n9 since I'm a student in machinist class and I'm making fast progress in Mastercam.
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2012-09-03 , 05:34
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#1122
To my knowledge, Jolla have not explicitly stated what architecture they will use in their handsets.
Given that the core os has builds for both arm and x86, either could present as an option.
HTML5 may still present as an option through qt webkit and there may be a strategic reason for the 2013 release target if there is a plan to provide application compatibility with the likes of BB10 which will release around the same time.
It owuld be interesting to see if the android compatibility layer that is planned for QNX/BB10 could be ported across to Mer.
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2012-09-03 , 05:46
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#1123
Originally Posted by onethreealpha View Post
To my knowledge, Jolla have not explicitly stated what architecture they will use in their handsets.
Given that the core os has builds for both arm and x86, either could present as an option.
HTML5 may still present as an option through qt webkit and there may be a strategic reason for the 2013 release target if there is a plan to provide application compatibility with the likes of BB10 which will release around the same time.
It owuld be interesting to see if the android compatibility layer that is planned for QNX/BB10 could be ported across to Mer.
Mer has builds for MIPS too. Conspiracy theories emerging?
 
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2012-09-03 , 06:40
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
To summarize: There is a difference between simply providing DLL's and emulating instructions for software to run on.

Details: Yes, it provides DLL's natively built for various OS's. The problem, as has been explained earlier, is that it is NOT an emulator and does not emulate the x86 instructions needed to run x86 software to MAKE those Windows calls. You can ONLY make WINE run on x86 hardware (reasonably fast, depending) or on EMULATED x86 hardware (always, ALWAYS slow!).
To avoid confusion I already said above that it doesn't emulate the CPU instructions. It does emulate Windows behavior though, while not being Windows. So while it's not an emulator of the CPU, it is an emulator of Windows (which can't run on non x86 archs). Emulator can mean different things, not only emulating some CPU architecture on another.

Sorry for offtopic.
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2012-09-03 , 08:03
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#1125
When do we expect official news from Jolla? There's so much rumors ATM, I decided to ignore it all and wait for the next official preff release or such.

Any ideas when that could be?
 
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2012-09-03 , 08:08
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#1126
Reading through this thread, and seeing some outcries about Jolla being vaporware company I think some people do not realize how much time does it take to design & manufacture a device + code a decent UI for it. Give them time, dammit!
If they manage to show us something good or even release a product before x-mass I'd call it a great achievement. Also, I'd rather wait to see something polished and thought-through rather than some rushed product, to satisfy impatient part of the market...
And agreeing with benny1967 - let's wait for some official news.
 
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2012-09-03 , 08:14
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Originally Posted by don.edri View Post
Reading through this thread, and seeing some outcries about Jolla being vaporware company I think some people do not realize how much time does it take to design & manufacture a device + code a decent UI for it. Give them time, dammit!
If they manage to show us something good or even release a product before x-mass I'd call it a great achievement. Also, I'd rather wait to see something polished and thought-through rather than some rushed product, to satisfy impatient part of the market...
And agreeing with benny1967 - let's wait for some official news.
It surprised me somewhat that they made some vague announcements before creating a site and etc. That's unusual to say the least. They might have wanted to attract some attention, but it creates confusion at the same time. Well, at least they did manage to capture attention.
 
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2012-09-03 , 08:17
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
When do we expect official news from Jolla? There's so much rumors ATM, I decided to ignore it all and wait for the next official preff release or such.

Any ideas when that could be?
Yes, It won't be before Iphone 5 announcment but before end of the year. remove christmas week. This gives you a window on around 55 days. Just pick a day.

Jollamobile wont release a phone, they will release a concept
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2012-09-03 , 09:24
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps View Post
Mer has builds for MIPS too. Conspiracy theories emerging?
so I can finally make use of my old PS2?
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2012-09-03 , 09:40
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Originally Posted by onethreealpha View Post
To my knowledge, Jolla have not explicitly stated what architecture they will use in their handsets.
Given that the core os has builds for both arm and x86, either could present as an option.
HTML5 may still present as an option through qt webkit and there may be a strategic reason for the 2013 release target if there is a plan to provide application compatibility with the likes of BB10 which will release around the same time.
It owuld be interesting to see if the android compatibility layer that is planned for QNX/BB10 could be ported across to Mer.
The android compatibility layer is already available on PlayBook 2.x and while I don't like Android apps, it very much works out of the box.
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