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2013-09-26
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Originally Posted by ZogG
But... but... surely that's how it works on any other platform, right? You pay first and then you actually use it and judge it. You may read reviews, play with it brielfly at an electronics store and all that.
All people want to see the applications and normal work, so to see how it can handle for example multitasking or what applications would they have if they want to buy it.
If someone want to make android with simuliar UI they can do - as there is emulator with SDK as well as at some point they need to sell phone and UI would be revealed. It would be soon enough while it would be fair for future customers to see what they get and not paying money blindly
I don't think you can copy too much of Sailfish by the SDK, or at least you can copy whatever Jolla wants you to see. I surely hope that they have more surprises. TOH was a nice surprise to me, not that Jolla was the first one with that concept, but it is nice in a mobile phone.
Anyway, like jalyst pointed out and Mikkosssss said, they will make more videos, so patience. You will need to buy the device for a personalised test anyway!
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2013-09-28
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More news from Jolla, by 3T: http://www.3t.fi/artikkeli/uutiset/t...tietoturvauhka
Jolla answers whether there's a security threat in Android compatability.
Q: Can Android malware make calls or send texts also with Jolla phone?
A: The Android runtime environment is an isolated and independent RTE inside SailfishOS. Sailfish controls all interfaces from that RTE to native interfaces in SailfishOS. Making calls or sending texts happens through cellular RTEs, which are in SailfishOS's supervision.
When it comes to Jolla's appstore solution, it was revealed Jolla is cooperating with a large international company with good reputation. The name of the company wasn't revealed yet, but it was said that the company is already providing content to numerous large OEMs. The appstore in question has it's own malware-scanning and app-approval procedures.
It was also revealed that a local security software with customary security features will come bundled with a Jolla phone as they are cooperating with a known internet security company.
Interviewee: Sami Pienimäki, vice CEO and development manager of Jolla.
Last edited by Thoke; 2013-09-28 at 10:15. Reason: typos, grammar...
Jolla answers whether there's a security threat in Android compatability.
Q: Can Android malware make calls or send texts also with Jolla phone?
A: The Android runtime environment is an isolated and independent RTE inside SailfishOS. Sailfish controls all interfaces from that RTE to native interfaces in SailfishOS. Making calls or sending texts happens through cellular RTEs, which are in SailfishOS's supervision.
When it comes to Jolla's appstore solution, it was revealed Jolla is cooperating with a large international company with good reputation. The name of the company wasn't revealed yet, but it was said that the company is already providing content to numerous large OEMs. The appstore in question has it's own malware-scanning and app-approval procedures.
It was also revealed that a local security software with customary security features will come bundled with a Jolla phone as they are cooperating with a known internet security company.
Interviewee: Sami Pienimäki, vice CEO and development manager of Jolla.
Last edited by Thoke; 2013-09-28 at 10:15. Reason: typos, grammar...
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by Thoke
Amazon, stskeeps already hinted as much on Twitter a few days back.
When it comes to Jolla's appstore solution, it was revealed Jolla is cooperating with a large international company with good reputation. The name of the company wasn't revealed yet, but it was said that the company is already providing content to numerous large OEMs. The appstore in question has it's own malware-scanning and app-approval procedures.
It was also revealed that a local security software with customary security features will come bundled with a Jolla phone as they are cooperating with a known internet security company.
I wish they'd reveal much more about mapping/navigation soon.
I hope Nokia's given them full access to all their solutions/tech.
I also hope they've done lots of work towards 1 of more open mapping/navigation platforms.
And set-it-up so that it's easy for the community to jump-in & start improving it right away.
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Amazon, stskeeps already hinted as much on Twitter a few days back.
Not suprised at all if amazon. Its most logical in bussines perspective cause there is no chance they could setup that themselfs... however isn't amazon US company? and Jolla has said SailfishOS is NSA free, yeah right :/
Yet another reason I say: Europe needs to start competition in this area its time setup an competitor to all those big US companys for got sake. But I guess european investors wants theyr money fast grow instead of use the money of european innovations
Originally Posted by jalyst
It would be epic fail if they not using nokia maps.
Cool.
I wish they'd reveal much more about mapping/navigation soon.
I hope Nokia's given them full access to all their solutions/tech.
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
But is this app store for Android applications only or also for Sailfish applications? If the former, then avoiding using Android applications would sort you out NSA-wise.
Not suprised at all if amazon. Its most logical in bussines perspective cause there is no chance they could setup that themselfs... however isn't amazon US company? and Jolla has said SailfishOS is NSA free, yeah right :/
At any rate, you have to be quite vigilant legally and tecnically if you want to get away from private companies getting to your data.
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
I used to believe that, but then I saw modrana, which runs in multiple devices and is fairly advanced feature wise, and has been done in MartinK's free time (maybe with some help?). What if you dedicate a team of 2-3 proper developers full time? OSM covers more terrain than Nokia Maps.
It would be epic fail if they not using nokia maps.
I say there are options out there!
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2013-09-28
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I highly doubt something based on OSM would be as good "overall" as something based on Navteq.
Google & it's assets aside, Nokia's the largest & most successful mapping data company in the world.
They need apps which hook into 1 of the 3 big players (is it more/less than that now?), but there should also be completely open apps that use OSM -or similar.
Maybe it won't be an issue because of this:
Or maybe that's just marketing fooey.... 
Hopefully you can "switch-off" your Android streams completely if you wish.
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Last edited by jalyst; 2013-09-28 at 13:13.
Google & it's assets aside, Nokia's the largest & most successful mapping data company in the world.
They need apps which hook into 1 of the 3 big players (is it more/less than that now?), but there should also be completely open apps that use OSM -or similar.
Originally Posted by mikecomputing
They were "kinda" telling the truth, as they were probably referring to the non-Android portion of the OS.
and Jolla has said SailfishOS is NSA free, yeah right :/
Maybe it won't be an issue because of this:
The Android runtime environment is an isolated and independent RTE inside SailfishOS.
Sailfish controls all interfaces from that RTE to native interfaces in SailfishOS.
Making calls or sending texts happens through cellular RTEs, which are in SailfishOS's supervision.
Originally Posted by ggabriel
Hopefully it'll be seamless to the end-user, i.e. choose your Android or Sailfish streams etc.
But is this app store for Android applications only or also for Sailfish applications?
If the former, then avoiding using Android applications would sort you out NSA-wise.
Hopefully you can "switch-off" your Android streams completely if you wish.
At any rate, you have to be quite vigilant legally and tecnically if you want to get away from private companies getting to your data.
Last edited by jalyst; 2013-09-28 at 13:13.
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by ggabriel
maybe but that also depends on country I guess.
I used to believe that, but then I saw modrana, which runs in multiple devices and is fairly advanced feature wise, and has been done in MartinK's free time (maybe with some help?). What if you dedicate a team of 2-3 proper developers full time? OSM covers more terrain than Nokia Maps.
I say there are options out there!
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2013-09-28
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Of course I agree, but I like where OSM consumer applications are going, and how quickly they are doing it. I was ready to be disappointed re the maps application, honestly, pretty much like with the camera - but now I discovered more potential... I can happily settle for something similar but better polished to modrana in Sailfish OS, offline maps being the key here, which Google and Apple don't implement properly.
I highly doubt something based on OSM would be as good "overall" as something based on Navteq.
BUT if Jolla is hungry regarding your position at all times, well, the maps application may be rubbish. So let's see what happens :-)
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If someone want to make android with simuliar UI they can do - as there is emulator with SDK as well as at some point they need to sell phone and UI would be revealed. It would be soon enough while it would be fair for future customers to see what they get and not paying money blindly
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