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szopin is offline szopin
2012-04-17 , 22:44
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#111
Originally Posted by Maemomd View Post
$1, b/c Nokia is -$220 per phone. Nokia is currently losing a crapload of money from their current promotion, with subsidies and this rebate. If this doesn't take off, Nokia is going to get hit hard.
ROI is not per handset now, but the 10% or such on each and every angry birds/fart/... app sold (or so the plan says). 1 billion $ for 34 million users of instagram, skipping development time and costs, puts 1 user at around 33$ value. Ad market is growing MUCH faster than smartphone market alone, this is the latest bubble. Once it breaks FB will be worth 1/10th of its current cost, Apple similarly, Nokia cannot fall lower as the assets alone are worth each and every piece of stock they have. Who will burst?
 
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2012-04-17 , 22:44
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The question here is the following: Does NOKIA and MS have something in the pipeline in the next 18 months that will turn their tide for NOKIA to become profitable. If they do, the stock is a bargain price. You could make decent amount of money if patient and willing to be in there for the long term. It remains to be seen how well is Lumia 900 doing in US. If it truly exceeds the expectations, then WP8, with upgrades that will hopefully make it rival the other OSs, has a good chance of being a viable third competitior in this arena. If not, NOKIA will become a Taliban phone company, and that is it. The Meego and Maemo apologizers are few. The market showed that these devices are no good at making money.

I think that the Taliban on these boards are overtly negative. NOKIA is a solid company that has a solid roadmap to success. It is trying hard to enter into the US market, and LUMIA 900 is the best device to do it. Instead of supporting it, the Taliban here are biting the hand that feeds them. Who supports this website? Who gave you Linux devices to play with? Be happy and root for the success of MS-NOKIA.
 
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2012-04-17 , 22:52
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#113
Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
The question here is the following: Does NOKIA and MS have something in the pipeline in the next 18 months that will turn their tide for NOKIA to become profitable. If they do, the stock is a bargain price. You could make decent amount of money if patient and willing to be in there for the long term. It remains to be seen how well is Lumia 900 doing in US. If it truly exceeds the expectations, then WP8, with upgrades that will hopefully make it rival the other OSs, has a good chance of being a viable third competitior in this arena. If not, NOKIA will become a Taliban phone company, and that is it. The Meego and Maemo apologizers are few. The market showed that these devices are no good at making money.

I think that the Taliban on these boards are overtly negative. NOKIA is a solid company that has a solid roadmap to success. It is trying hard to enter into the US market, and LUMIA 900 is the best device to do it. Instead of supporting it, the Taliban here are biting the hand that feeds them. Who supports this website? Who gave you Linux devices to play with? Be happy and root for the success of MS-NOKIA.
This argument is shitty at best. Born in USA, respect PATRIOT act and torturing, forget that China was the bad guy for doing it before, now we have legal basis for being bad guys. Not fed enough? Censor internet, SOPA/PIPA/CISPA... shut up because who is feeding you (China bad guy again???)? You are same as Taliban to whom you compare your adversaries in discussion, opensource community doesn't need Hitler/Stalin comparisons, discuss real merits/disadvantages, leave populism to the crowded places.
 
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2012-04-18 , 00:58
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#114
Originally Posted by szopin View Post
This argument is shitty at best. Born in USA, respect PATRIOT act and torturing, forget that China was the bad guy for doing it before, now we have legal basis for being bad guys. Not fed enough? Censor internet, SOPA/PIPA/CISPA... shut up because who is feeding you (China bad guy again???)? You are same as Taliban to whom you compare your adversaries in discussion, opensource community doesn't need Hitler/Stalin comparisons, discuss real merits/disadvantages, leave populism to the crowded places.
Open source doesn't make money. I believe in socialism too, but if you have to survive in capitalism, you better play by the rules of winner takes all. I know you are smarter than that.
 
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2012-04-18 , 01:40
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#115
"Better to not type and be thought a fool, than to post as lumiaman and remove all doubt."
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2012-04-18 , 01:43
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#116
Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
The question here is the following: Does NOKIA and MS have something in the pipeline in the next 18 months that will turn their tide for NOKIA to become profitable
No. They do not. That's the problem.
 
Zoxir is offline Zoxir
2012-04-18 , 02:09
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#117
Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Open source doesn't make money. I believe in socialism too, but if you have to survive in capitalism, you better play by the rules of winner takes all. I know you are smarter than that.
LOOOOOOOOL tell it to IBM, Oracle, Redhat etc that are making billions out of it. They have been making so much money than now MS recently launched a subsdiary that is to be involved in open source projects only.
 
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2012-04-18 , 02:14
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Originally Posted by Zoxir View Post
LOOOOOOOOL tell it to IBM, Oracle, Redhat etc that are making billions out of it. They have been making so much money than now MS recently launched a subsdiary that is to be involved in open source projects only.
There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are smarter than that
 
Zoxir is offline Zoxir
2012-04-18 , 02:21
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#119
Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are smarter than that
Open source doesn't mean it's also free as in beer.There are a lot of open source products that you have to pay for EG RHEL.
 
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2012-04-18 , 02:32
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#120
Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
Open source doesn't make money.
You should tell that to the several companies that run/maintain and are daily falling into the "trap" of opensource. You should Google for companies that have been lead astray by this fake promise of profits from using opensource as a base... You know, Google, that huge resource for finding/storing/communicating things on the internet that consists mainly of Linux servers running GWS? If you had an Android phone, you could just type it in and get this important message out right away.

Nope.. nobody making money on that opensource crap...
 
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