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MiBi	2008-03-14 , 16:04
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@fms
I think for the large photo / album covers the problem is not that scrolling does not work but that it's meant to scroll only when touching the next / previous entry on the left / right side of the screen (no bug but feature)...Handful will correct me if i am wrong...

The screen protector is probably reducing sensivity, which could bring problems in canola-scrolling (my guess).

MiBi

andersbk	2008-03-14 , 16:09
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Originally Posted by handful

New Update Released!
New view for current podcast downloads; shows information about the download.
Newly organized podcast menu with new submenus such as "Today's episodes", "New episodes" (Episodes that have been downloaded and have not yet been played).
Podcast also give a visual clue to whether an episode has been played or not.

Nice progress. I have a couple of podcast related comments.

1) The "visual clue" for whether an episode has been played (the "green dot") only works if you don't delete the podcast file. If I listen to a podcast, then then delete it when I'm done, the "green dot" comes back.

2) Many podcast xml files contain some text information, like feed content, etc. It would be nice if Canola parsed this information and presented it to the user. For the developers, I'm talking about the <description>, or <itunes:subtitle> tag for an individual <item>. This would be helpful for many podcasts that have nondescript titles.

-anders

	munky261	2008-03-14 , 20:04
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I uninstalled canola 2 and tried to download it and reinstall and i still get a "failed to download" error message after the progress bar hangs for a while. why cant i get canola to download???

	handful	2008-03-14 , 21:20
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@munky : did you check your connection ? if says failure to download is probably one of the following things (based on other users with the same problem)

a. you are trying to install behind a connection that is not stable / has firewalls or proxies etc

b. the maemo official repository could be down, then causing your problem.

To know if a is your case, try installing other application (not python based) and see what happens.

Also, if you had this failed to install, and you did the unninstall only trhought the application manager, I would suggest you to first, install canola-cleanup, run it. Reboot the device and then install beta6. It has worked for the people here in the forum in the cases where problems appeared.

So, it looks that this problems is REALLY not related to canola itself, and everything you need help, please post your application manager's LOG text here so we will be able to help you out.

Br

Marcelo

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	handful	2008-03-14 , 21:32
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Big post answering the ones I haven't yet :

@fms

1. Textual list:
Left edge always works. The list itself (i.e. items) works sometimes but rarely, the right edge (where scrollbar appears) never works

- this is strange, because EVERY thing is the same code

theres no difference between position on any part of the screen since beta2.

2. Album covers (small):
Scrolling works.

3. Album covers (large):

Scrolling does not work, but clicking on left/right screen edges scrolls covers.

- There no scrolling here. Tearing would not let us do it the right way with so big photos. It looked terrible, it was removed. Actually was only drag to next.

important: scrolling through a list of songs that shows to the right of the album cover works in this mode.

- Ok, this is also the same list. But it already shows something strange, because you are in the middle of the screen, where you said in the 1st one that works rarely.

4. Photos (small):
Scrolling works.

5. Photos (large):
Scrolling does not work (opens current photo), but clicing on left/right screen edges scrolls covers.

- Yes, the same behavior as the Big photos. So you got the pattern. If it big, tearing kills it, we do click to next.

My final comments : I really don know if your screen protections do make it worse, but I was really worried to the fact that you cannot screen on the left edge ( of a simple song list ), the whole screen should behave the same, unless you are in the podcast screen that has the right side widget for downloads.

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@Brontide :

there might be an easy fis to the scrolling issue, I'm working on another one of my famous tweaks that will not only help canola, but all apps.

You're more than welcome dude

I would be quite happy if this solves people's problem without changing the design.

@Andersbk :

Nice progress. I have a couple of podcast related comments.

1) The "visual clue" for whether an episode has been played (the "green dot") only works if you don't delete the podcast file. If I listen to a podcast, then then delete it when I'm done, the "green dot" comes back.

- Yeah, I only spotted it a couple of minutes before releasing :/ I think we were just to tired of looking that we didn't notice. sorry, easy fix coming on next update.

2) Many podcast xml files contain some text information, like feed content, etc. It would be nice if Canola parsed this information and presented it to the user. For the developers, I'm talking about the <description>, or <itunes:subtitle> tag for an individual <item>. This would be helpful for many podcasts that have nondescript titles.

- We already have that on the database, and we have the list screen with preview description added, to help exactly choose the right episode. It is just not "tested" enough but is in the backlog for next update. But I already saw it working

Marcelo Eduardo

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fms	2008-03-14 , 21:39
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Originally Posted by handful

- this is strange, because EVERY thing is the same code theres no difference between position on any part of the screen since beta2.

Weird, but maybe it is some kind of a timing issue related to redrawing list items? Lists with small items seem to scroll just fine, as well as scrolling a list of big items by its [inactive] left edge. But every time I try scrolling by touching and dragging a large list item, things get out of hand.

- There no scrolling here. Tearing would not let us do it the right way with so big photos. It looked terrible, it was removed. Actually was only drag to next.

Yea, I have figured that much, but listed those two cases for completeness.

- Ok, this is also the same list. But it already shows something strange, because you are in the middle of the screen, where you said in the 1st one that works rarely.

It is the same list all right, but it is much smaller and has smaller items. That may make a difference somehow.

fms	2008-03-14 , 21:46
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Hehehehe!

I found why scrolling does not work in the large textual list! Handful, at the bottom of the screen you have a strip of background which looks exactly the same as the list background but it is insensitive to the stylus. If one starts scrolling by touching with his stylus in that part of the screen (and it is pretty easy, it is a wide strip), then the scrolling does not happen and a click is registered instead wherever the stylus stops.

The "BACK" button sits in the left corner of the faulty strip. I guess you intended to put more icons at the bottom, so you made that area insensitive. Please, make it sensitive again!

	handful	2008-03-14 , 21:54
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@fms : yeah.. I think you hit the spot there, it's uite possible that you found one problematic thing. We will take a deep look on this!

(that's why I was asking about the video using it, to see from where to where people scrolls etc..)

But thanks so much for this nice feedback...

yeah, there's the design of a contextual toolbar for that area.

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fms	2008-03-14 , 22:13
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Originally Posted by handful

@fms : yeah.. I think you hit the spot there, it's uite possible that you found one problematic thing. We will take a deep look on this! ... yeah, there's the design of a contextual toolbar for that area.

You probably want to make that area suitable for scrolling initiation, as long as the user does not directly tap a conceptual toolbar button. Same goes for the right edge of the screen, where you have the scroll position indicator. Otherwise, things get mighty confusing, with seemingly innocent areas of the screen acting funny.

	handful	2008-03-14 , 22:29
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yeah, sure, but it was fun, that it can the cause of the profile, users that start scrolling from there get the error, while users that always start from inside the list not.

I kind of have the felling that I experimented that yesterday in the opposite (much harder way) to touch the taskswitch and then enter the touching scroll area. We will for sure investigate this

thanks again Fms

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