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2010-01-22
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#112
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Originally Posted by DaveP1
Ace post. Finally good practical solution.
I'll muse a bit. Why are all the forums on the main page? How about moving the OS/Platform category so that it's under the Development section. The Software forums could go under the Downloads section. Put the Talk forums under the Community section. Leave the Devices forums under the Talk tab on the main page where new users are most likely to find it.
Really the biggest noise problem currently is new N900 users posting N900 related stuff all over "General", "Maemo 5", "N900" or whatever section that possibly might have something to do with N900.
I would add that "Competitors" should be close to top and very visible. That way the The "Nokia is best thing since sugar-coated sliced-bread" and "Nokia sucks and so does UR mom" stuff that seems to spread everywhere else might be more contained (at least a bit) to "Competitors".
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2010-01-22
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#113
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I still think we need a TABBED forum.
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2010-01-22
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#114
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Originally Posted by Texrat
... I don't honestly think I was trying to slam you ... and if you think it's easy to criticize the more established community here then you've not been a newbie on this forum recently!
Sorry... while I empathize with your concerns I think that's way, way too broad and an insult to the so-called "elite". It ignores that fact that we old-timers tend to complain about specific types, not "newbies" in general. Very specifically, the aggressive, hostile types who spit in the face of anyone who dares try to inject calm and reason into a rant. It happens far too frequently. I feel like "no good deed goes unpunished" is the rule lately.
There are two or more sides to any situation. It's easy to slam an "elite"... much more difficult to try seeing a situation through the eyes of another.
I'll try harder to look through yours, though.
... I'm a regular member of a number of different forums and run a help forum of my own, and as such I have similar issues with newbies who just want to rant, and don't want to help themselves by listening to the advice from more experienced members of the forum ... however, if I want to have a proper rant about anyone, or any new section of a forum community I will usually find somewhere private to do it ...
I do fully appreciate that you aren't slamming the whole of the new influx of n900 owners to this forum in any thread, but the tone is off-putting, and while it's clear that there's a distinct dislike of a particular type of newbie, there seems to be little appreciation for new members trying to help and little effort made by the established community to enable them to do so effectively ...
Thank you for taking my comments on board, and taking a moment to see things from the perspective of a newbie ... I really love the maemo concept, and don't want the n900 to destroy this forum and this community, and would like in the future to feel like I'm a helpful member of the community ...
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2010-01-22
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#115
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Originally Posted by EmmaGx
Holy cow, where did you get THAT impression???
... there seems to be little appreciation for new members trying to help and little effort made by the established community to enable them to do so effectively ...
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I am floored. Utterly floored. A statement like that knocks the wind out of me personally. Again, apparently no good deed goes unpunished... in this case, by being claimed to be "little effort".
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe I need to make the text in my signature bigger?
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2010-01-23
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#116
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Oh, don't mind me. There's simply too much doom and gloom, "let's assign everyone to two groups, select one, blame the other, and propose new, rigid structures to make everyone behave like my ideal me" talk around these days. My eyes glaze over.
Wondering what I have to do to get a Thanks from my old buddy sjgadsby.
There used to be similarly long, dull debates about a "search first" culture. Or the lack of one. Or something. Right or wrong didn't matter, the existence of the debate was enought to hamper the community. I started reading every post in every thread in order to--as often as possible--point to previous discussions or answers before the debate could be touched off again. Maybe it helped. Maybe it didn't. Either way, I was doing something, I didn't need to organize anything or even tell anyone what I was doing, and I felt useful. It made me happy.
I can't read every thread any more, but I do what I can as a mod now.
And if you want thanks, make with the funny.
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2010-01-23
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#117
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Originally Posted by Texrat
... from the forum? ... not you personally, you the established community ... and I'm not saying you aren't trying to make us feel welcomed, I'm just saying that's the impression I get out there ... I just don't feel welcomed ... and I think that quite probably comes down to the huge influx of new members you've had, there are just too many of us to make it feel like we're becoming contributing members of the communiy, rather than people who are getting in the way and taking up the time of those who currently know more than us ...
Holy cow, where did you get THAT impression???
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I am floored. Utterly floored. A statement like that knocks the wind out of me personally. Again, apparently no good deed goes unpunished... in this case, by being claimed to be "little effort".
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe I need to make the text in my signature bigger?
... it's about how I feel, not what you're doing ... and at the moment I'm feeling like an outsider, not someone being pulled into the community ...
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2010-01-23
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#118
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
There's my error: I dumped most of that in Off Topic.
And if you want thanks, make with the funny.
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2010-01-23
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#119
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Originally Posted by EmmaGx
I take it personal because:
... from the forum? ... not you personally, you the established community ... and I'm not saying you aren't trying to make us feel welcomed, I'm just saying that's the impression I get out there ... I just don't feel welcomed ... and I think that quite probably comes down to the huge influx of new members you've had, there are just too many of us to make it feel like we're becoming contributing members of the communiy, rather than people who are getting in the way and taking up the time of those who currently know more than us ...
... it's about how I feel, not what you're doing ... and at the moment I'm feeling like an outsider, not someone being pulled into the community ...
- I'm on the council
- I bust my hump on community relations (Maemo Greeters, community outreach, herding threads here, etc)
- I am constantly greeting (by Thanks) newcomers in the "say hello" thread.
But yeah, it certainly isn't all about me, and I'm not the only one embracing eager newcomers. The numerous Maemo Greeters are doing a bang up job IMO... among many, many others.
With all of the overtures we senior "staff" and others make toward people like yourself, I'm still flummoxed by your statements. Honestly: what more do we need to do? What more can we do? Are we just not progressing fast enough? far enough?
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2010-01-23
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Originally Posted by EmmaGx
Well, the point is Texrat spends a lot of energy trying to help make people like feel welcomed. So if you are not feeling welcome - then there is a breakdown somewhere and I can see Tex taking that personally.
... it's about how I feel, not what you're doing ... and at the moment I'm feeling like an outsider, not someone being pulled into the community ...
What he does is directly related to how you feel, as what he does (or evidently, what he tries to do) is to make you feel welcome.
So Texrat.... You apparently suck
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Based on the reception to my posts in this thread though, I'm thinking I must be wayyy off the mark. Wondering what I have to do to get a Thanks from my old buddy sjgadsby.
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