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2010-02-18
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#111
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i,m sure he stated that he had to pay for that service? i am not debating those rules.. there are two side to blame here so in future it may be wise for any spats like this to be kept behind scenes? how does this look for potential devs? the blame is with a system that been going for yrs that does not want to see/implement change...and a frustrated dev whom gets no support from nokia
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2010-02-18
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#112
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Originally Posted by ysss
A little, I think. Having your software hosted on maemo.org is support from the community. Everyone should be (and is) free to set up their own repositories outside of the maemo.org community and be free of the community's processes, so in that sense community support is optional. I don't think it's fair though to suggest that people should be able to choose to take advantage of some community support, including maemo.org hosting, without having to keep to the community's rules for using those facilities.
I believe getting community support is optional in a system like this. (Although it's highly beneficial to have it).
Am I mistaken?
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2010-02-18
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@ Oxford
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#113
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Originally Posted by dread123
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that was a reference to paying for Ovi hosting, not maemo.org.
i,m sure he stated that he had to pay for that service?
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2010-02-18
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@ Helsinki
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I missed most of this mess(traveling), but a big thanks to the ones that spot this.
Our community like any other open source community is based on trust, people that break some levels of trust aren't good for the community, I've seen similar situations in other places and all of them end up badly.
My education and in the society that I live on there's not valid excuses to break simple rules, if the rules are there and they don't steal us anything there's no reason to not respect them.
For my point of view and also from the explanations given by the developer, there's here a big lack of respect for the community and for our decisions and rules. The developer had a simple way to have 100% profit just following simple rules, and he choose to not respect them, can we trust him ? Can we be sure that one person with this values will not distribute a application that steal all your contacts ? (a bit harsh but can happen
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Last edited by VDVsx; 2010-02-18 at 15:11. Reason: typo
Our community like any other open source community is based on trust, people that break some levels of trust aren't good for the community, I've seen similar situations in other places and all of them end up badly.
My education and in the society that I live on there's not valid excuses to break simple rules, if the rules are there and they don't steal us anything there's no reason to not respect them.
For my point of view and also from the explanations given by the developer, there's here a big lack of respect for the community and for our decisions and rules. The developer had a simple way to have 100% profit just following simple rules, and he choose to not respect them, can we trust him ? Can we be sure that one person with this values will not distribute a application that steal all your contacts ? (a bit harsh but can happen
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Last edited by VDVsx; 2010-02-18 at 15:11. Reason: typo
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2010-02-18
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@ Finland
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#115
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Originally Posted by sio2interactive
So it is OK to put malicious stuff for example in debian postinst scripts just because it's possible? I couldn't really be blamed if my app had rm -fr / there since there is no code to prevent that?
if it was illegal, they should have code the necessary protection to avoid it, instead of leaving it like that and if nobody notice that before well... I can't really be blamed
Because that attitude of yours I'm hoping that I'll never install your software even by accident.
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2010-02-18
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@ Munich, Germany
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#116
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I didn't know there's so many halos around here.
Thank god, we're all so free from sin so we can cast stones. Let him pray a coupla Ave Maria and his confession's through.
Cut it or we'll most likely lose all future 3rd party developers as well. Or imagine:
OVI store gets up and running and the maemo repos will get abandoned...
Thank god, we're all so free from sin so we can cast stones. Let him pray a coupla Ave Maria and his confession's through.
Cut it or we'll most likely lose all future 3rd party developers as well. Or imagine:
OVI store gets up and running and the maemo repos will get abandoned...
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2010-02-18
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#117
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Originally Posted by ysss
Yes. Maemo.org (and by extension, extras) is a community asset. If you don't want to work with the community then there are other options, such as Ovi (when it's available) or host your own.
There are 2 things at play here;
1. Winning the support of the community.
2. Dealing with the system: fixing it, etc
Just like religions are separate from the state, I believe getting community support is optional in a system like this. (Although it's highly beneficial to have it).
Am I mistaken?
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2010-02-18
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#118
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Originally Posted by ewan
So what is the community's rules in regards to exploiting a weakness in its system?
A little, I think. Having your software hosted on maemo.org is support from the community. Everyone should be (and is) free to set up their own repositories outside of the maemo.org community and be free of the community's processes, so in that sense community support is optional. I don't think it's fair though to suggest that people should be able to choose to take advantage of some community support, including maemo.org hosting, without having to keep to the community's rules for using those facilities.
Also, take note that the guy's first choice was to distribute it through Ovi Store. He's even paid the 'entrance fee' to Nokia, but unfortunately that didn't pan out.
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2010-02-18
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@ Finland
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#119
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Originally Posted by dread123
You have to pay to get you application on Nokia store platform. Hosting your package here is free for developer.
i,m sure he stated that he had to pay for that service? i am not debating those rules.. there are two side to blame here so in future it may be wise for any spats like this to be kept behind scenes? how does this look for potential devs? the blame is with a system that been going for yrs that does not want to see/implement change...and a frustrated dev whom gets no support from nokia
Bear in mind that Nokia repository/store and their policy is completely different from policies around here. Two totally different "organizations".
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2010-02-18
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#120
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Originally Posted by dread123
Why should people who pay for the device be any less informed than those who develop for it?
i,m sure he stated that he had to pay for that service? i am not debating those rules.. there are two side to blame here so in future it may be wise for any spats like this to be kept behind scenes? how does this look for potential devs? the blame is with a system that been going for yrs that does not want to see/implement change...and a frustrated dev whom gets no support from nokia