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2010-06-21 , 22:14
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#111
Originally Posted by MSHAH View Post
All of these rules: what happened to freedom of speech?
It is there. You can still say whatever you want. Aside of not getting political/religious or too personal on anyone, the subjects, or individual opinions, are not really limited. Just the form of expression is to be watched.

Freedom of speech seems to be commonly misunderstood (on purpose?) as freedom from responsibility. Which is why it doesn't go well with anonymity/pseudonymity IMHO.

Remember kids: "With great power comes great responsibility".


On another topic, let me be the first to ask if the name of the standard Unix filesystem check utility is considered as filter avoidance? =)
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#112
Originally Posted by MSHAH View Post
All of these rules: what happened to freedom of speech?
This is a tired old refrain. Protection of speech is provided by governments, not talk forums. Pure freedom of speech in a forum leads to anarchy and chaos. Nothing productive could be accomplished.

That said, this forum is highly tolerant.
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#113
Can I poke 'im in the eye if he says "freedom of speech" again, Sam? Can I? Can I?
 

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#114
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
This is a tired old refrain. Protection of speech is provided by governments, not talk forums. Pure freedom of speech in a forum leads to anarchy and chaos. Nothing productive could be accomplished.

That said, this forum is highly tolerant.
That and people don't seem to get that freedom of speech is usually only guaranteed in public spaces. I can't go into your house and start screaming and insulting everybody. Why do you think you can do it on a forum?
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2010-06-21 , 23:03
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#115
Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
Changed. Thanks.

Regarding permanent bans, if you take a look at it, members don't really get banned permanently. They actually just get banned for a maximum of 30 days.

Permanent bans will rarely happen and is reserved for spambots or for those who probably really ask for it and accumulate 100 points in a month.
Wow, its actually cool to see that change and know i had a hand in it.

I hope my post wasn't interpreted to have a hostile intent. I was merely discussing those things.

In the interests of further discussion, I would still like to see "infractions" and "rules" brought together under one section.
 

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#116
Originally Posted by mmurfin87 View Post
Wow, its actually cool to see that change and know i had a hand in it.

I hope my post wasn't interpreted to have a hostile intent. I was merely discussing those things.

In the interests of further discussion, I would still like to see "infractions" and "rules" brought together under one section.
I second this.

I think it should be ordered
  1. Intro/"Preamble"
  2. Forum Rules
  3. Infractions and Banning
  4. Moderation
  5. Avatars
  6. Signatures
  7. maemo.org ToC/PP
  8. Addenda

Also might want to correct this:

Originally Posted by t.m.o Forum Rules Intro
The establishment of these rules has been given much consideration by the talk.maemo.org staff, the Maemo Community Couincil, and feedback from long-time members, and is designed to foster and promote a healthy, helpful, and professional atmosphere in all of our forums. Anyone posting in the forums should be treated with respect and in a manner which will create an enjoyable experience for all.
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#117
Does the rule about not posting illegal content mean we must not talk details about reverse engineering when the position is uncertain?

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Does the rule about not posting illegal content mean we must not talk details about reverse engineering when the position is uncertain?

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That depends doesn't it? Afaik (and IANAL) reverse engineering was ruled ok in the USA. Not sure in the EU.
 
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#119
Those rules are too strict and do not adress any problem except that of some people that have gotten tired of viewing "the same useless threads". Yet they jump in each time and make sure to mention how useless the thread is, even if some guys there have a civilized conversation.
Moreover, all those terms such as trolling and flamebaiting are pretty vague and each one can interpret them in his own way. Finally deleting posts for "any reason" and banning conversation about deleted content is unacceptable.
Just consider the possible abuse of this, especially in a public dispute.
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#120
Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
Those rules are too strict and do not adress any problem except that of some people that have gotten tired of viewing "the same useless threads". Yet they jump in each time and make sure to mention how useless the thread is, even if some guys there have a civilized conversation.
Moreover, all those terms such as trolling and flamebaiting are pretty vague and each one can interpret them in his own way. Finally deleting posts for "any reason" and banning conversation about deleted content is unacceptable.
Just consider the possible abuse of this, especially in a public dispute.
I disagree. The moderation on this forum has been so tolerant of trolling, flamebaiting and repetition that the signal to noise ratio has reached ridiculous levels. Personally, I used to spend a lot more time here in the past until I started getting fed up of the tired old threads, same attacks, trolling and misdirected anger at the community for perceived ills that Nokia bore the disgruntled newcomers (well, relative to me - I am a n00b also, I'd say). And while I probably don't (cannot?) contribute much to the community here, there are many more people who are much more important than I that have felt the same - or worse...

Two posts addressing this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=72
and
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=112
 

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