Active Topics
-
Camera phone competition March 2023 "Endless" (35)
to General by Maemish - 2 days, 9 hrs ago -
TLS 1.2 for N9 is ready (28)
to MeeGo / Harmattan by smartblu9 - 2 days, 10 hrs ago -
Maemo repository (3)
to Community by torsen - 3 days, 2 hrs ago -
Error after installing Leste on sdcard (11)
to Maemo 7 / Leste by Maemish - 4 days ago -
Introducing ubiboot N9 (multiboot OS loader) (1,393)
to Alternatives by smatkovi - 5 days, 6 hrs ago - more...
SamGan |
2012-02-02
, 00:24
|
|
Posts: 648 |
Thanked: 650 times |
Joined on Oct 2011
|
#111
|
Steven Elop may be compared to the disastrous Gil Amelio who was appointed CEO of Apple for a year and a half before Steve Jobs took over. He drove Apple to the brink but Jobs managed to pull Apple back. Will Nokia be so lucky?
 |
|
2012-02-02
, 01:09
|
|
Posts: 455 |
Thanked: 782 times |
Joined on Nov 2009
@ Netherlands
|
#112
|
Originally Posted by SamGan
There are not many people like Steve Jobs out there. Whether one liked him, or hated him, he was one of the most competent people ever to appear in the IT industry, and what's more - he deeply cared for Apple (or rather what Apple should be in his own view). Finding a person that is equally competent and caring for Nokia, especially in this point of time - I'm afraid that's mission impossible.
Steven Elop may be compared to the disastrous Gil Amelio who was appointed CEO of Apple for a year and a half before Steve Jobs took over. He drove Apple to the brink but Jobs managed to pull Apple back. Will Nokia be so lucky?
The best Nokia could hope for is to get a strong-willed (but not an ego-maniac like Elop - instead a guy that knows the difference between `power` and `force`) guy for a CEO, willing to execute swiftly and not afraid to get in conflict with the rest of the managerial staff, who will agree to low profit margins and accept that Nokia is not, and won't be for quite some time #1 in the industry. He/she should devise a strategy that would give them a couple of years of sustainability to catch up with the lost market and regain their weight so that they could throw it around and shake the mobile industry as they could a long time ago. One way or the other - the damage done by OPK, and especially Elop, would take many a year to fix, and the sooner the patient admits that, the sooner the treatment can start.
Of course, the biggest problem is that the patient is, and has been for quite some time - deeply delusional.
__________________
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
|
|
2012-02-02
, 02:19
|
|
Posts: 648 |
Thanked: 650 times |
Joined on Oct 2011
|
#113
|
It will take a competent CEO who cares for Nokia, not Microsoft. But at the rate Nokia is going down even the best CEO in the world may have no time to save the sinking ship. Elop is now selling off profitable Nokia assets like Vertu and their mobile ad unit to support WP7. Another 2 quarters under the mole and Nokia may reach the point of no return.
 |
|
2012-02-02
, 06:36
|
|
Posts: 3,159 |
Thanked: 2,023 times |
Joined on Feb 2008
@ Finland
|
#114
|
Originally Posted by SamGan
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)
It will take a competent CEO who cares for Nokia, not Microsoft. But at the rate Nokia is going down even the best CEO in the world may have no time to save the sinking ship. Elop is now selling off profitable Nokia assets like Vertu and their mobile ad unit to support WP7. Another 2 quarters under the mole and Nokia may reach the point of no return.
(see how things got into speed about 2 years after initial release)
e: sorry I had wrong image url first
__________________
Want to know something?
K.I.S.S. approach:
wiki category:beginners. Browse it through and you'll be much wiser!
If the link doesn't help, just use
Google Custom Search
Want to know something?
K.I.S.S. approach:
wiki category:beginners. Browse it through and you'll be much wiser!
If the link doesn't help, just use
Google Custom Search
Last edited by ossipena; 2012-02-02 at 06:50.
|
|
2012-02-02
, 07:29
|
|
Posts: 648 |
Thanked: 650 times |
Joined on Oct 2011
|
#115
|
Originally Posted by ossipena
You are the one who should educate yourself. Vertu sales in units are small but they are sold at big profit margins. To quote from gsmarena
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)
"Vertu’s profit, as part of Nokia, isn’t public yet, but the paper estimated an annual revenue somewhere between €200m and €300m ($268 million and $402 million)"
If you think WP7 sales will follow iphone's trend just go on dreaming. On what basis will it follow iphone?
Last edited by SamGan; 2012-02-02 at 07:33.
|
|
2012-02-02
, 08:40
|
|
Posts: 347 |
Thanked: 441 times |
Joined on Dec 2010
|
#116
|
Originally Posted by AndyNokia232
You can't compare them. " maemo, meego," does not have the same rhytm
TMO members: maemo, meego, maemo, meego, maemo, meego
__________________
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
|
|
2012-02-02
, 08:49
|
|
Posts: 347 |
Thanked: 441 times |
Joined on Dec 2010
|
#117
|
Originally Posted by zwer
The best Nokia could hope for is to get a strong-willed ..........knows the difference between `power` and `force`......... willing to execute swiftly and not afraid to get in conflict
__________________
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
|
|
2012-02-02
, 09:00
|
|
Posts: 347 |
Thanked: 441 times |
Joined on Dec 2010
|
#118
|
Originally Posted by ossipena
You should educate yourself better. Vertu is a small cliche product and sales are counted probably in hundreds instead of billion as it is with nokias dumbphones. Somewhat describing results from WP sales are out in Q3/12, not a day earlier. And strategy changes alltogether show visible results in ~2 years (ahem iPhone)
(see how things got into speed about 2 years after initial release)
e: sorry I had wrong image url first
Sales taking off has more to do with being available in many more international markets and the arrival of iPhone 3G with a LOT of improvements that made iOS (more?) mature with native apps and appstore. Besides it's more like 1 year in stead of 2. And at the launch of iPhone it was already clear after a couple of months that the device was a killer. can't compare that situation to WP7/Nokia now.
Hmmm...maybe you should educate yourself better.
And at the time of sale of Vertu they said it had a revenue of 100's of millions. Not small money for Nokia in 2011/2012.
__________________
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
Motorola M3688 → Ericsson R320 → Siemens S40 → Motorola V60c → Palm Treo 650 → Blackberry 9000 → Nokia N900 → HP Pre 3 → Nokia N900 → Nokia N9 → Nokia N900 → Nokia 808 → Blackberry Z10 → Blackberry Passport
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
 |
|
2012-02-02
, 09:18
|
|
Posts: 738 |
Thanked: 983 times |
Joined on Apr 2010
@ London
|
#119
|
guys, "revenue" != "profit", so either you were both using a misleading term, or you're basically saying nothing much (actually, 100M revenue is not a lot, smart device sales are probably around 8 000M annualy)
 |
|
2012-02-02
, 10:39
|
|
Posts: 405 |
Thanked: 961 times |
Joined on Dec 2009
@ London, UK
|
#120
|
Originally Posted by patlak
The edge of the phone is a lot lower profile than the N97/E7 though, so you have to grip it differently as there's less to push, and less to hold when it snaps shut. But if I wanted to, in a roundabout way, I'm not legally allowed to argue with you, so let's leave that there.
Anyway, I still don't buy the slider defect. N97 won many votes for its simplicity and durability.
Originally Posted by patlak
But the OS wasn't finished? I get the feeling that Harmattan wasn't always Ahtisaari's Swipe-fest though - did they have some intermediary thing that could have been ready earlier? Was it MeeGo API compliant, and all in QT? Would you really have wanted three Maemo OSes live in the community?
Instead of Elop giving us a N950 in February, he gave us a letter capable of destroying a kingdom.
 |
| Tags |
| blame others, deluded fanboys, kidsbeingkids, lumiadork, ms will die, salesdroids, the elop flop, wp blows |
«
Previous Thread
|
Next Thread
»
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 20:12.