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2013-01-10
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Originally Posted by szopin
If it took devs 3x more work they were doing it wrong.
while TA will cry that symbian app store was the greatest (in terms of size he might even be right) it was the most tiresome for devs. so many symbian versions (s30/40/60/v3/v5) even if one Nokia phone had a good app it was EXTREMELY unlikely devs spent extra 3x more work to support all keyboard layouts/screen resolutions etc.
Originally Posted by szopin
Please provide a link to the monthly data you have.
You should also take these numbers with a bit of salt. TA gives numbers for Q4/Q1, while a slump is visible this way, the slowing growth (thanks to the greatest failed and superbly marketed concepts of N97/mini) would be much more visible with monthly data.
Originally Posted by szopin
It was the start of February so it was only 1 month in. Also the Symbian Foundation was closed in Q4 2010 so it's quite possible carriers had already delayed reordering NOKIA products until they had clarified what was going on there. That's certainly what I would have done.
Feb announcement is 2 months into the failure Q1.
Originally Posted by szopin
No, it was a press release.
The memo wasn't an unsupported leak.
Originally Posted by szopin
This was a vital strategic decision? Any strategist with more than half a brain should be able to predict the outcome of announcing his own products obsolete nearly a full year before he'd have anything viable to replace them with and he certainly wouldn't contemplate exclusively adopting an OS that was already a well proven failure.
A lot of people with instant access to the data decided a change to strategy was vital.
Originally Posted by szopin
NOKIA's customers are carriers and retailers not the end user, I doubt the buyers in such companies are in a hurry to order products that have been publicly announced obsolete. If I were a buyer in one of those companies on the day Elop announced Symbian/MeeGo EOL I would have phoned my contact at NOKIA and told them they could stick all open orders right up their 4r53 (and I'd expect them to take back any stock I couldn't shift too). Not only that but I'd think twice before having any further dealings with them.
If Q2/Q3 released devices were a hit you'd not see any big change in sale figures. People still buy good products.
Originally Posted by szopin
Please provide a link to the data showing the sales dropping, NOKIA's accounts show them increasing. Their initial financial statement in Q1 2011 also stated they could have sold even more if it weren't for component shortages.
Yes, live in pink Tomi's world where everyone was happy with Nokia and the words 'burning platform' came out of nowhere. It is not that every analyst was scared of how fast sales were dropping (from June/July so by the time Q4 hit the praised Tomi growth was FAR FAR FAR below expectations).
Originally Posted by szopin
In terms of revenue it was second only to Apple's app store, it was bigger than the Android marketplace. That is a verifiable fact.
aside from lunacy in his post judge his appraisals: Symbian as top app market, lol.
Originally Posted by szopin
Everyone, that is, except the tens of millions of people who continued to buy them.
everyone knew Symbian was dead
Originally Posted by szopin
Please provide a link to your evidence of 'overwhelming 920 adoption'.
I am yet to see how TA replies to overwhelming 920 adoption
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2013-01-10
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It's going to be interesting to see NOKIA's gross margin when the financials come out seeing as they were dumping 800s at less than cost at the start of the quarter. I wonder what proportion of the 4.4 million they represent.
They sold over 9 million Ashas though which is good news. I hope they're not going to classify those as smartphones this quarter so they can muddy the waters when it comes to their margin on smart devices.
Their cash position will also be interesting, especially as their credit rating is now junk. If they've got no cash and no credit they're going to be on a sticky wicket.
They sold over 9 million Ashas though which is good news. I hope they're not going to classify those as smartphones this quarter so they can muddy the waters when it comes to their margin on smart devices.
Their cash position will also be interesting, especially as their credit rating is now junk. If they've got no cash and no credit they're going to be on a sticky wicket.
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2013-01-10
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Yup, all types of keyboards hw/sw, different screen sizes/resolutions, systems (yeah Symbian was not monolithic, they seem to fixed that with anna/belle I guess, at the time it was a mess)... Not sure how much coding work you've done for mobile platforms, but in order to sell a product you also have to deal with support. Much easier to limit app availability to some models (do other app stores have the awesome feature: supported nokias <insert long (or short if your resources are limited) list of Nxyz here>) and most apps were limited to certain models, don't think this is the case with iApps.
If it took devs 3x more work they were doing it wrong.
Please provide a link to the monthly data you have.
It was the start of February so it was only 1 month in. Also the Symbian Foundation was closed in Q4 2010 so it's quite possible carriers had already delayed reordering NOKIA products until they had clarified what was going on there. That's certainly what I would have done.
No, it was a press release.
This was a vital strategic decision? Any strategist with more than half a brain should be able to predict the outcome of announcing his own products obsolete nearly a full year before he'd have anything viable to replace them with and he certainly wouldn't contemplate exclusively adopting an OS that was already a well proven failure.
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Please provide a link to the data showing the sales dropping, NOKIA's accounts show them increasing. Their initial financial statement in Q1 2011 also stated they could have sold even more if it weren't for component shortages.
In terms of revenue it was second only to Apple's app store, it was bigger than the Android marketplace. That is a verifiable fact.
Everyone, that is, except the tens of millions of people who continued to buy them.
Please provide a link to your evidence of 'overwhelming 920 adoption'.
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2013-01-10
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They sold 4m lumias in 2Q12, 4.4m in 4Q12. The forth quarter is always a strong one, so this quarter sales will go down again.
Stabilizing at a very low level. I think we can now officially say that the wp strategy has failed.
Stabilizing at a very low level. I think we can now officially say that the wp strategy has failed.
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2013-01-10
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Originally Posted by Rugoz
I think you have officially failed to comprehend the return of Nokia as part of the third ecosystem.
They sold 4m lumias in 2Q12, 4.4m in 4Q12. The forth quarter is always a strong one, so this quarter sales will go down again.
Stabilizing at a very low level. I think we can now officially say that the wp strategy has failed.
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2013-01-10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman
It's not that much of a comeback of sale, honestly. Apple sold 86 million whereas Samsung sold 21 million in the US alone last year.
I think you have officially failed to comprehend the return of Nokia as part of the third ecosystem.
Stats located here. Those are not global numbers. And Windows Phone is still not even 10% of the global share.
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2013-01-10
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Its good for a nascent OS. If they make next few steps right, they can get into double digits. That is the goal.
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2013-01-10
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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#1200
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Hey guys, don't rain on lumiaman's parade!
Give him a day.
Give him a day.
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Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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