The question is what sells best in the world of today!

Great Talk!
Great Code!

I say you need both!

another troll to add to ignore list..

Edit: Damn it, can't add myself to ignore list

We shall see what happens when they announce the phone and the OS

yes, cant wait. Bit I expect they push as long as possible. Expect December. Release next year.

Thanks for the weekend LOLZ
Literally laughed out loud at this..

If I called you a troll, all the other trolls would bark at me in indignation

I do agree with you, I would take as much time as I can to polish the product. Make sure it works without any issues or major bugs.

I dont think Jolla is capable of that. I have yet to see evidence that they can code idiot proof phones

So are you implying you have seen their prototypes but not seen evidence of those phones being idiot proof? Common Lumiaman, they said they will announce towards the end of the year...Reserve your judgement till then...Remember the main reason they came out was due to the swell of sadness when pr1.3 was released...It was a perfect marketing opportunity for them as when somebody is sad give him an inch of hope and he will be on your side...

Imagine if there was no Jolla news till they actually announce the product wouldn't a number of users already graviate towards the newer phones that are being released? Now those people will wait for Jolla before making up their minds...What they have done is ensure that they have a good chance among the existing n9-fans...This way achieving their initial target of 100,000 devices sold to secure further funding from whoever is backing them would become much easier...

Look at it from a pure business p.o.v and you would see what the have done is portray themselves as a phoenix rising from the ashes and as long as they get a product that matches even 75% of what reasonable people expect from them they have given themselves a solid chance to progress to the next stage...

Sometimes you need to take the blinkers off from the features, usability, fanboism, legacy kind of things and you will realize that from a ruthless business p.o.v they have been bang-on! [Something Nokia really needs to learn]


Edit: And on the secrecy they are maintaining is just to ensure their legend grows and the curiosity levels don't drop...Seriously, you can't expect a world-beater from a new start-up so any further info till the announcement might be portrayed in a way whereby the enthusiasm levels of people actually taper off...Imaging a higly-pumped announcement event with a firm release date and pre-orders soon open from announcement...What would you achieve? Surely many many people would pre-order just due to them being fans...Even if the features are not top-notch the adrenaline would push their sales to that 100k target...


Edit2: Lastly, if you see what Jolla is doing is more Apple and less Nokia-esque...Announce a product, build the hype beforehand and as long as the product is good enough but not the best it will sell...And ensure little to no leaks of the product months before announcement unlike Nokia...

I am all for giving an underdog their chance. I will be the first one to buy the product. Hell, I have probably bought more NOKIA products than even the biggest fans here. However, I am trying also to be realistic. You and I know that it takes multiple itinerations to develop a good product. Look at N900, it was a great product because it was a culmination of experiences with several previous maemo devices. Jolla leadership was involved with N9, and we know that N9 has many downfalls. It is really not a stable OS for idiot proof use, as compared to other OSs. If Jolla has a completely new UI, you very well know their first product will not be polished. Of course, I would be very happy if it is, but given the history of Jolla leadership involvement with N9, I have my doubts. That is all I am expressing. I am looking at the history of previous products this group was involved, and I am on the fence. Even Quim here quipped on his tweeter that he hopes they learn from their previous mistakes. I hope so too!

I agree that N900 and N9 are not idiot proof. Some how, WP & iOS did a better job in developing idiot proof OS. Android is not that great in this respect.

Fortunately, I am not looking for an idiot proof phone/OS. I am looking for a real smart phone that respects open standards.

I don't care it sells millions a day. I am sure, if Jolla will come up with a real "Smart" phone, there will be enough people to buy it.

No phone will ever sell like iPhone. WP will be like, "Man, I am stupider than iOS, but I can't find much fan boys. What did I do wrong". I think all the stupid people already bought iPhone and they are its fan boys. Look at the pre-order for iPhone5. It is a couple years old technology, but it is idiot proof.

I understand your doubts...

What I am simply saying is that optimism/pessimism is actually misplaced...I for one am simply neutral to Jolla's prospects...If they get a good enough product out I'll be in line to buy it...If they don't well they can go and die for all I care...I'm not their shareholder/financer to care about their prospects neither am I related to any of their employees to care about their successes...Yes, its good the FOSS community gets carried over in their form but if they can't do a good enough job they don't deserve to succeed...

The hard truth is they would need more than one iteration to make a good product and this hype they have generated is mainly to ensure that the second round of funding is secured by achieving that 100k target...

On them learning from the n9's mistakes...Well the n9 was handled by a relatively mixed group of people...The people in there ranged from the lazy a**es to those "hackers" who thought they were geniuses and real geniuses...Don't forget within Nokia there is never a black and white...A product has always been created with compromises involved on both the hardware and software fronts...See even the Lumia 920 is a compromise; no micro-SD slot for one...This is something why Nokia has always been known as the gentle giant; they are not ruthless enough in a single department...

I think with Jolla we will not see much compromises in the UX part but in the build quality, hardware etc where $$$ matters more than most...The UX part and usability issues would be fixed if those who followed them were not the lazy a**es and "hackers"...Now who exactly followed them is something open to speculation as you and me don't know who exactly fell in those two groups...


Edit: If you are ruthless and frank even the n900 was not perfect...The internals' compromise was horrific for one and its due to it being a niche the real-world problems are not amplified...Can you imagine if the n900 sold in huge volumes...You would get malware attacks, people releasing apps that wipe out your user data etc as it has zero protection...I like the n9 but I would be the first to admit the implementation of aegis was half-hearted...They had to implement something to gain commercial devs but due to the abandonment it wasn't tuned well enough...