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Originally Posted by gruik View Post
i'm a little tired about jolla. we don't know anything about their devices. when will they release their smartphones? no screenshots? all their statements are "we"ll change your life" bla bla.
we want a real product now. it looks like duke nukem.. ah ah
Really?
A co. that 1st revealed itself about 3mth ago (& only started their 1st efforts about 12mth ago), & has only ever said they'll reveal more about their product/plans this yr*
Ah the Twitter age......

*i.e. anywhere from now to Dec 31st.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
I have little faith in Jolla. if they are responsible for the N9 flop, why would you expect them to do better. N900 is great, because it was a culmination of many years of maemo devices, and N9 was 3 steps back. its laggy, email sucks, at times non-responsive, fonts are not adjustable, browser sucks, SMS would mix up contacts, swipe makes you dizzy. i just dont see Jolla leadership as disciplined enough to put out a modern UI. they may have an innovation or two, but what good is it when basic things dont perform well!! all in all I dont see a winning team. i see enthusiastic and undisciplined yahoos that will produce inferior products.
You're only a n00b, you've barely used either device, despite your claims to the contrary, you've never been anything more than massive MS fanboy.*
People can already see right through you, they only need to look at your history, & the regular bans you bring on yourself...
Harmattan is a culmination (some argue rightfully/wrongly it took the wrong approach in some areas) of the work that went into preceding Maemo iterations.
It shares most of the same lower layers & middle-ware, only the upper-most layers are different, but even then there's many similarities/evolutions.
The fact that you don't understand this, speaks volumes as-to-how clueless you are....

*there's nothing wrong with appreciating/liking WP/MS, but you go way beyond that.

Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
You and I know that it takes multiple itinerations to develop a good product. Look at N900, it was a great product because it was a culmination of experiences with several previous maemo devices. Jolla leadership was involved with N9, and we know that N9 has many downfalls. It is really not a stable OS for idiot proof use, as compared to other OSs. If Jolla has a completely new UI, you very well know their first product will not be polished. Of course, I would be very happy if it is, but given the history of Jolla leadership involvement with N9, I have my doubts. That is all I am expressing. I am looking at the history of previous products this group was involved, and I am on the fence. Even Quim here quipped on his tweeter that he hopes they learn from their previous mistakes. I hope so too!
You've got to be kidding me, you really haven't used Fremantle all that much have you...
Are you really trying to suggest it was somehow far more slick/polished than Harmattan?
It was/is better in many ways, but more stability/usability certainly is NOT one of them, esp. in it's 1st year, not a chance in hell.
And the people involved in shaping iterations of Maemo before Harmattan, were the same people involved in Harmattan!
Nah, you're not an authority in this area, sorry.....

I think it's about time from me to unsubscribe from this thread, it's pointless until we have much more hard info & announcements.
And that probably won't arrive until December, or it may even be delayed a bit, that wouldn't surprise me, being a tiny start-up etc.
Happy boredom following this thread peeps, peace out! ;-)

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#1272
Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
Python support in MeR/Nemo = Python support in Jolla, PERIOD.
Tell you what, how about we place a bet on it, $20 sound okay?
Please elaborate on these "many cool apps that use Python".
And please elaborate on what you mean by "it's easier for my brain to comprehend".
Do you have a project in mind, is that why you want Python?
You seems to be a bit grumpy to day, why is that i wonder.
I don't doubt you i just don't take things I read on forums for granted either. Seems to be a bad bet to me. the odds are against me.
I like python more than c++.
you know its severa cool python projects available. the one i'm using right now is Saera.
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
You seems to be a bit grumpy to day, why is that i wonder.
I don't doubt you i just don't take things I read on forums for granted either. Seems to be a bad bet to me. the odds are against me.
I like python more than c++.
you know its severa cool python projects available. the one im think the one I'm using right now is Saera.
No not grumpy at all, it seems you misread me Not bet then? Okay cool, let just wait & see...
You can say "I told you so" if it doesn't arrive in some capacity, & likewise so can I if the opposite happens
 
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Well instead of betting on $ you could always bet on Dave taking out his thank you signature which on almost every thread raises questions by newbies...

OTOH, if jalyst loses he is forced to add to his singature for 1 week: "I was beaten by chief-troll Dave999"

Fair?
 
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Originally Posted by jalyst View Post
No not grumpy at all, it seems you misread me Not bet then? Okay cool, let just wait & see...
You can say "I told you so" if it doesn't arrive in some capacity, & likewise so can I if the opposite happens
Deal, I also don't beleive in a jolla device until I see it. so there you also have a chance to tell me " I told you so".
This whole jolla thing could still be one big master trolling thing.
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Originally Posted by thedead1440 View Post
Well instead of betting on $ you could always bet on Dave taking out his thank you signature which on almost every thread raises questions by newbies...

OTOH, if jalyst loses he is forced to add to his singature for 1 week: "I was beaten by chief-troll Dave999"

Fair?
Dude, it's real thanks, how the **** do you think I managed to get over 1300 thanks for my carppy posts?
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman View Post
I am all for giving an underdog their chance. I will be the first one to buy the product. Hell, I have probably bought more NOKIA products than even the biggest fans here. However, I am trying also to be realistic. You and I know that it takes multiple itinerations to develop a good product. Look at N900, it was a great product because it was a culmination of experiences with several previous maemo devices. Jolla leadership was involved with N9, and we know that N9 has many downfalls. It is really not a stable OS for idiot proof use, as compared to other OSs. If Jolla has a completely new UI, you very well know their first product will not be polished. Of course, I would be very happy if it is, but given the history of Jolla leadership involvement with N9, I have my doubts. That is all I am expressing. I am looking at the history of previous products this group was involved, and I am on the fence. Even Quim here quipped on his tweeter that he hopes they learn from their previous mistakes. I hope so too!
With all due respect, you don't seem able to understand that the Meego team had many constraints imposed on them - they weren't able to develop the N9 in a 'perfect world'. The fact managed to get the N9 out at all was an achievement in itself. You compare the resources apple/microsoft/google provide to their OS divisions and compare that with what the MeeGo team had. You need to be fair and reasonable with your judgements, man
 
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Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Dude, it's real thanks, how the **** do you think I managed to get over 1300 thanks for my carppy posts?

Yes and pigs fly...
 
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Originally Posted by thedead1440 View Post
Well instead of betting on $ you could always bet on Dave taking out his thank you signature which on almost every thread raises questions by newbies...
OTOH, if jalyst loses he is forced to add to his singature for 1 week: "I was beaten by chief-troll Dave999"
Fair?
I'm happy to partake in that, someone has to remember the pact though, as all this coming to fruition (or not) is some time away!

Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Deal, I also don't beleive in a jolla device until I see it. so there you also have a chance to tell me " I told you so".
This whole jolla thing could still be one big master trolling thing.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, there's a good chance that a Jolla ph never arrives, or does but is totally horrid -overall.
It's very hard for start-ups to get enough momentum to stick around longer-term, that's their challenge/dilemma.

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I volunteer to remember the pact

Dave so the bet is on, ok?
 
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