I don't have followers. Who am I, Jesus?? LOL. I have supporters and people that share my opinion. And I WAS taking things to personally. I'm medicated now, and all is cool.

lol Portrait is necessary, its better to please everyone by having both, then just the landscappers. I don't get how this was even an argument.

It's not as simple as "snap my fingers and poof! portrait support!"... Some developers don't want it because it can be a pain in the as$ to code. Others don't want it just to mess with Chris (I'd imagine ).

Do I need to bump my Portrait Indifference thread???

fwiw in the last days we have been answering to proposals related to portrait support in Brainstorm.

Some of them have been moved to Under Development in Fremantle or Harmattan. Other proposals are still Under Consideration and your votes and solutions are welcome.

Your Talk discussions are good but condensing such discussions in Brainstorm proposals with interesting solutions and wide community support reflected trhough plenty of votes is much more effective.

No, I understand its not a "poof" thing. I'm saying the debate didn't make sense, it should have been there from the beginning. If its a pain in the *** for devs, suck it up, or find someone to "port" your app to portrait. It's necessary, it's expected, and now it is on its way.

...and I'm happy it is. I just wish they'd quit messing with me. Boys don't know I'm a beast, but its all good. I know most of these guys wouldn't dare do it in person. Except Jay. That cat is just crazy, period.

Nice way to alienate any develop who reads this. A lot of people (read, developers, they're people too) spend a lot of time and effort writing applications, and enabling them with features they might not use or find useful, simply because people request them.

Attacking them with a "suck it up, you're just a coding animal" really isn't a very nice way of showing the respect they deserve. As always, features need to be weighed before they are considered into a project. Screen rotation is such a feature. Sometimes it can be beneficial, sometimes it doesn't make any sense at all. There's no unique rule, especially when you look at the wealth of different applications we have on this platform.

I don't think that there originaly was an argument about it eventualy being a feature. The discusion was over the choice to either release Maemo5 now with limited ASR or to wait until universal ASR was supported.

Some of the statements that were argued were made to support that early release decision and some of the arguments were from folks who either needed roadmap clarification, hadn't read the complete thread they were responding to and had taken statements out of context, or had a self serving agenda to promote.

So in that case, I agree with you, there never should have been an argument. All one had to do was wait for universal ASR to be released before purchasing if they wanted it in a Maemo device.

I cant believe you guys still discuss a topic thats not even worth thinking of.
It has been said (100 times) that ASR is one of a nice feature, it has been said (100 times) that ASR is hell of a work for developers if implemented to their apps BUT its the choice of the dev team! make it ASR compatible if you like, make it manualy rotatable if you like, make it portrait only if landscape is useless make it landscape only if portrait is useless. If you decided to not implement it on request, ask for help but dont bark that its the hell useless and you wont do it for the sake of mankind. If you are user and want the cam in portrait **** rotate the **** phone, the one button is hardware and reachable single handedly!

this just had to be said!

I'm struggling around in this talk-forum for some days now and its already growing angry on me

Since I was at the center of the argument(s), and the starter of the threads in question, let ME clear up a misconception. It wasn't suggesting releasing the N900 with or without ASR. Read every post I've made, and that was never said, and I don't remember anyone else saying it but the developers and old heads here.

I asked on behalf of the Symbian Freak Community that either Nokia or the community provide an ASR solution since it was a most wanted feature. I thought the dev connection and work we've done with mobiles would create a bond, since our communities are so similar (we like hacking, open systems, transparency, etc...), but nothing is ever what you expect.

I'd never want a device delayed, and being a long time and seasoned Symbian user, I'm accustomed to getting devices with lacking, beta-ish firmware. I have faith from previous experience that within 4-6 months, the device will be nearly perfect. I just wanted either the Maemo platform devs at Nokia to commit to a future solution we all knew wasn't going to be there on release, or reject it, during which I'd work on getting a community solution task force started on a solution of our own.

I'd heard it millions of times that I/we/others wanted the device release held back, and I was clear that wasn't my wish, and in fact I wanted it EARLY, and still do. I just wanted the desktops and widgets to rotate mostly, along with the general menus. But most of the community here did not agree with me, but opposed the idea, and thought I should stick with Symbian, since the TMO community had been using an Internet Tablet, and they didn't see the smartphone usage models fitting the N900.

Now Nokia has made the decision I wanted, and all is well. For those so HAPPY there is no ASR, I hope its arrival doesn't kill your joy too much, because it will only mean more users and more support for the platform.