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#121
Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
I never said that ALL developers where being ignored. But apparently some developers have been. If we have devs in the top 50 apps that haven't been targeted; then their is a problem.

300 devices @ maemo summit
and 180 devices in the device program. Easily half of that should have been targeted at devs.

Let me put it this way; Anderson Lizardo (INdt) has 195 Karma. Now, he probably got a pre-production device long before us just because of what they do. But being purely based on Karma, you don't think the developers of PyMaemo should have been targetted. Do you understand the point I'm trying to make. He (& his team) fortunately do have devices (I assume) -- but the karma will eliminate developers who don't post a lot. And it will eliminate developers who work on underpinnings since they only "users" of that will be other developers. Do you see the problem that we are trying to raise?

Nathan.
Maybe you're ignoring the fact that karma isn't comprised solely of your involvement in talk.maemo.org. Even just responding to bugs in Bugzilla for your project generates you karma.

I think that before you guys go on a witchhunt, you should have all the details first. Quim has stated time and time again that he's here to make sure "everybody wins".

200 karma is an extremely LOW bar to set for these discounts. Hell, look at Joshua. Dude's been here all of two or three months and already has more than half the amount of karma needed to get a discount.

If a developer of a popular application hasn't gotten enough karma then maybe he should try being a part of the community... coming here and posting about new releases, answering questions and so on. It's not like he/she even has to do it all that often. Remember, look at the title of this thread. These discounts are rewarding community engagement, not just developers.

Regardless, no matter what system we have, someone's going to feel like they fell through the cracks. I wish it didn't have to happen at all.

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#122
Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Devs were in attendance at the Summit and received devices. Not sure if it came to half. But is that percentage so important?
No the percentages isn't hugely important; but I was trying to say at least 500 devices are out and I would venture approx half of them should go to developers, since the platform will live or die in great part based on the developers. I understand that the 300 were lent to attendees (and no easy way to determine categories) -- and that was really a swesome move on Nokia part.

Nathan, I certainly see the problem and so does Quim, et al. I get the feeling though that you've overlooked some posts on the topic... many in this thread alone.
Actually I read every post in this thread before posting (If I got Karma for reading threads/newgroup posts I would probably have as much Karma as Quim <G>) -- My only issue I was trying to raise was going based on Karma at this point is faulty. And Quim seemed to say the same thing in the other "dev-device" thead that people didn't need to worry about their Karma; however a week or so later the device program comes out totally based on Karma. (Bad, Bad, Bad!)

You guys might be trying to get a handle on it. But if nobody says anything you won't know. ;-D

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I just want to say thanks for the email, and I'm waiting for official word of price for the US.
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Originally Posted by MountainX View Post
How do I find my karma points?
Find yourself here.
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#125
Originally Posted by zerojay View Post
Maybe you're ignoring the fact that karma isn't comprised solely of your involvement in talk.maemo.org. Even just responding to bugs in Bugzilla for your project generates you karma.
Only helps if you have bugs in your product. ;-)

But yes, as I stated over 80% comes from talk. The only way I could get that number was to look at my numbers. ;-)


I think that before you guys go on a witchhunt, you should have all the details first.
Not trying to start a which hunt, just making sure the issue is addressed. Just trying to make sure we don't drive off any developers because of hurt feelings. I would be pretty annoyed had I had a top 30 app and I wasn't invited because I didn't post much on the forums.... That might be enough to drive me to Android or Palm. We can't afford to loose users.

Quim has stated time and time again that he's here to make sure "everybody wins".
Yes, but he hasn't posted anything contrary to karma on this and based on what I perceived him saying in the other dev-device thread (which you are referring too) he said karma wasn't a major factor; except in all reality this device program so far the only factor he has outlined is Karma.

200 karma is an extremely LOW bar to set for these discounts. Hell, look at Joshua. Dude's been here all of two or three months and already has more than half the amount of karma needed to get a discount.
Makes my point exactly. Posting has too much affect on karma. It weights the table towards people who frequent and POST a lot in the forums. (Yes I know their is a brainstorm in progress to try and fix it for the future -- but that doesn't take care of the present)


If a developer of a popular application hasn't gotten enough karma then maybe he should try being a part of the community... coming here and posting about new releases, answering questions and so on. It's not like he/she even has to do it all that often. Remember, look at the title of this thread. These discounts are rewarding community engagement, not just developers.
I disagree. As my example with Anderson -- I see him occasionally on the newsgroups, bug tracker and pymaemo mailing list. He only has 195 karma. But based on Karma he would have been excluded. Now that is a problem!

Regardless, no matter what system we have, someone's going to feel like they fell through the cracks. I wish it didn't have to happen at all.
Oh, I understand your point. But each iteration we can get better; and I just wanted to make sure that we take in account the people who fell in the cracks. We do NOT want to drive _any_ of them away.

Nathan

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#126
Originally Posted by xmob View Post
Find yourself here.
How the heck do I do that?! The list doesn't even sort by username! So I have to read through every page?
 
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#127
If you're eligible for the discount you can consider to donate money to your favourite Maemo community member. Perhaps specifically one who wasn't eligible for the device program, or one you wanted to thank before but didn't. Some kind of donation program for specific Maemo community members may work too.

In my case there is at least one member I'd like to donate money to as thank you for contributions, and this seems a good moment to do so, especially if helps that person getting a N900.

We can keep these donations private so the intention is pure and kept personal instead of public with shame & fame both have their advantage as well as disadvantage.

The amount donated is personal preference, how many people donate to as well, but given you're saving about 50% of the original price theres some room. Unless you're already flatbroke, ofcourse.

Just an idea to give individuals the power to bring a little bit of justice where they feel its required, and entirely voluntary ofcourse.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
If you're eligible for the discount you can consider to donate money to your favourite Maemo community member. Perhaps specifically one who wasn't eligible for the device program, or one you wanted to thank before but didn't. Some kind of donation program for specific Maemo community members may work too.

In my case there is at least one member I'd like to donate money to as thank you for contributions, and this seems a good moment to do so, especially if helps that person getting a N900.

We can keep these donations private so the intention is pure and kept personal instead of public with shame & fame both have their advantage as well as disadvantage.

The amount donated is personal preference, how many people donate to as well, but given you're saving about 50% of the original price theres some room. Unless you're already flatbroke, ofcourse.

Just an idea to give individuals the power to bring a little bit of justice where they feel its required, and entirely voluntary ofcourse.
I like that suggestion
 
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#129
Originally Posted by MountainX View Post
How the heck do I do that?! The list doesn't even sort by username! So I have to read through every page?
The easiest method to get your karma rating it to goto:
http://maemo.org/profile/view/mountainx/

Assuming mountainx is your "maemo.org" login name. (which it apparently is not -- I just tried). Whatever your username is on the main maemo.org site is what you want to put into the "username" spot.

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#130
Originally Posted by MountainX View Post
How the heck do I do that?! The list doesn't even sort by username! So I have to read through every page?
Log in if you have an account, if not, register. Then click your username to get to your profile page ( http://maemo.org/profile/view/<username>/ ) . You'll see a big sign with your karma on it.

EDIT: Damn, I'm slow...
 
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