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2009-10-30 , 07:41
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#121
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
To be honest, I feel the problem in this thread is to get something sensible and useful out of it before you all have used the N900 for a week at least.
You are right. After all, just a few of us do have a N900 at hands. It is more about the expectations for the rest of us at the moment. I was not criticizing the design decisions, just wondering how a "simple thing" (long call list) like this can raise so much discussion.

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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
"Excellent phone" means different things to different people.
(Hmm. For some reason I lost this part of my original reply)
And this is actually one reason why I am eagerly waiting for the N900. My experience with the previous tablets is that they are quite configurable. I am certain that this is also true for N900, at least when comparing to Symbian phones.

Thank you also for the information about the LED. It is good to know that duct tape is not needed.
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2009-10-30 , 07:43
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#122
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Settings -> Notification light -> 7 checkboxes to enable/disable LED in different situations including "Missed call" (enabled by default).
I would like to have a feature here to change the colours for different situations.. Red blinking for phone call or sms, blue for IM and green for email...for example.

Well it was easy to hack from the conf, but that option should be there by default

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2009-10-30 , 08:21
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#123
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The problem seems to be that the phone aspect and computer aspect are both important.
There is a lot inbetween a person who has a smartphone only to phone and a person who has a smartphone only to smartinternet. Somewhere inbetween these 2 extremes is a turning point where a customer will say: "Although the N900 does not provide me the fine-grained phone/voice options I have on my N97, if add it all up, the N900 is the better choice for me."

I think that much frustration arises from the fact that there should not be a problem for N900 also to be an excellent phone.
Time = money. More features = more delay.

For example this call list thing: does it really mess up the whole UI design if the user is given a change to filter the messages by their type by for example adding small icons (for missed, called and answered calls) on top of the long list? These icons could be clicked and after that the call list would be sorted according to call type? Could even the icons separating the call types act as these "buttons"?
Either you follow your HIG or you adapt your HIG. No exceptions.

(Why? Else becomes mess. Then some other applications will hack around it in different way. And another applications will use same and say "well, he does it too, and he's official part of the software". The way GNOME deals with this I like: you either follow GNOME's HIG and become a part of GNOME or you remain a 3rd party application which is perfectly fine, and entirely your choice, but then you are not official part of GNOME framework. This rule has been as is for long, and I don't know about KDE, but it wouldn't surprise me if they also have this.))

I'd assume there would be a way to get to Settings for this and add the filtering you suggest but I haven't used this part of software yet.

Maybe some kind of search for the phone list, with filters, would be useful. This could even be part of Tracker. Is this a reasonable alternative?
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2009-10-30 , 08:34
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#124
Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Time = money. More features = more delay.
Well, that is kind of obvious.

Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
Maybe some kind of search for the phone list, with filters, would be useful. This could even be part of Tracker. Is this a reasonable alternative?
Really difficult to say since I don't have a N900 yet. Maybe put this idea to Brainstorm and we can brainstorm this there? Seems like a lot of people have ideas about this.



EDIT: Now that I reed my response it seems a bit hostile. That is not my intention in any way!
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#125
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To be honest, I feel the problem in this thread is to get something sensible and useful out of it before you all have used the N900 for a week at least. Before that, how useful is to argue the decisions done by the Maemo team after months of study, planning, development and testing (yes, with real users as well).
Windows Vista had "months of study, planning, development and testing" too.

Never underestimate the power of first-impressions and the out-of-box experience. Even a few seconds use can expose the folly of something overlooked during those months or even years of development. Been there, dealt with that-- with Nokia devices included.
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#126
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Settings -> Notification light -> 7 checkboxes to enable/disable LED in different situations including "Missed call" (enabled by default).
Off topic, but:
Beyond the LED settings in, well, Settings, placing a N900 face down on a bedside table is enough to hide the light of the blinking LED. This has been tested and proven by me and my own "the room must be pitch black when I sleep" wife.
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#127
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To be honest, I feel the problem in this thread is to get something sensible and useful out of it before you all have used the N900 for a week at least. Before that, how useful is to argue the decisions done by the Maemo team after months of study, planning, development and testing (yes, with real users as well).
Are you implying that once it's released, complaints that roll in will actually get addressed and fixed? I'm still suffering from 'FIXED IN FREMANTLE' and 'WONTFIX' shell shock even a couple years later, way, way later after having already owned and used (yes, with my very hands) that product.

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#128
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- If the phone aspect is so much more important than the computer aspect for a user, then Nokia has a variety of devices to cover that.
The phone(*) aspect is more important than the computer aspect to me, but I still require (and crave! ;-) the ability to run my own open source programs on it, to make it a phone which does other things for me too, the way I want to.

(*) Note that phone includes Skype, SIP, voice chat, etc. these days.... To me, a user, they are ideally just different transports for voice calls of various flavours.

I don't believe Nokia offers any other device than the N900 at this time which fits the bill, even to those of us who'll use it primarily as a phone.

If the E63 ran Maemo I'd probably have bought that already ;-)
 

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I agree about getting the device and then reassessing, but GREATLY appreciate everyone's view before hand! Proactive effort helps!

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I would like to have a feature here to change the colours for different situations.. Red blinking for phone call or sms, blue for IM and green for email...for example.

Well it was easy to hack from the conf, but that option should be there by default

//Sampo
Now that would make an excellent Brainstorm proposal.

Some notifications are much more urgent than others.

I'll add: As with ring tones, the light colour and/or blinking pattern/speed would be great to be settable per contacts and contact groups.

In a meeting, phone on silent, concentrating on the meeting, getting a call from some random person? Leave it for later. Another IM come in? It really can wait. Call from pregnant partner close to having the baby? Set the LED to flash in all available colours...
 

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