There's no reason to be defensive if you haven't been impatient, ignorant or downward rude to fellow members. This thread was started not to entice fight. On the contrary, to make the community better. People who call me troll, read through my posts in any threads. How many times did I call someone idiot, or was rude?

Then take a look at a random thread and you will surely find people that I refer to. I am far from being perfect, but I am not rude and I respect people. Eloquent: Maybe not, bot a troll? C'mon...

That was a duck where you faked posting on a "real" iPhone site (and even they started to ignore you)... Thank you for proving our point that you just wan't to troll and spread lies

I must say that this forum/community is one of the best I have ever been a member of... I don't see people beeing bashed for critisizing the n900.
Unless it is presented like this thread or "You suck and your phone suck because..." or "This is why i HATE the n900 piece of dinosaur sh*t"

But in theese cases the OP is getting what he asks for... He isn't asking for help, he isn't beeing constructive or even asking a question, all he is doing is provoking and deliberately saying stupid things to get a negative responce.
He is a poor soul without social skills, so negative contact with other people is better than no contact. Therefor bear over with him he knows no better.

I have seen lots of people getting help when asking for it. I don't remember who but one poster wrote:
"Respect is not something you can demand, it is earned" so use the tone you yourself would want in return.

See, you have just proved my whole point. Why did you have to become personal and insulting? You don't know me, but one thing is for sure I would never post such thing to anyone that you posted about me.

Sry dude, the topics you give to these threads make you nothing more than a troll. If some things in this forum honestly bother you, there are ways to get your message heard - and you know that. Instead you start this kind of flame wars...

i fail to see how saying the maemo community is nothing is anything other than childish.
even if some of the members are childish, im sure we all are at some point - which your post is to be honest.
but at least it is not censored and most long term members are forgiving.

think before you post next time....

Well, even though you were right (I feel the exact opposite), there is nothing the community of maemo.org can do to "fix" this.

Anyone can register and comment on this forum and can express their thought. The most irrespective ones , I am sure, are talked to and warned to behave.

And I am also sure that the iPhone users are NOT more civilised than us for two reasons:

1) they are people like us
2) I had to leave a mac-only list because I was complaining about Apple and their lies to their users. And not ranting, but discussing. And not a random mac list, but a friends mac list.

So, accept this fact, filter/ignore users that attack you personally (particularly if they have no reason to do so) and live happy(*)

Aniello

(*): friends are hard to find because they are hidden by a vast majority of selfish people. I, for one, I am more than happy for having removed a selfish guy from this long list. I may find it easier to find the good ones.

Ladiedadieda.. Stop feeding the trolls and close the thread.

Let's put all our n900 passion into fixing this buggy release into a proper kick-*** machine.

Yes, calling it buggy because we all know that it is, but we all don't care because we see the beauty lying behind the flaws..


NOW GET BACK TO DEBUGGING MINIONS!

He's not trolling. He's just, rightfully, complaining about something he felt in this forum.
Why should we close the thread?

I'm sorry I did mean to get personal but not insulting...

To my defence:
you bring out to worst in people with posts like this.
YOU started by getting personal (yes I know I'm childish)
and I thought you liked it like that..

and hey I'm sorry IF the truth hurts... (I said IF)

On the other hand I might not know you personally but I do know people like you... I see them every day.
And I must say that you have proven my point again and again
So if you don't like beeing treated like a troll... STOP acting like one

merry christmas

Simple reason for that, Jay. I read the manual before posting any thread, and evidence in my post that I either cannot find an answer or cannot make something work the way it says it should in the manual in any question I pose. I had read the manual fully before the device arrived.

Besides which there's a world of difference between "The answer you're looking for is ... and can be found on page x of the manual" and "RTFM, n00b". All the responses I have recieved have been much nearer to the former than the latter.

I think my point is that to write off the whole forum on the basis of how it responds to a small minority of posters is inaccurate.

Posters who arrive with courtesy and a willingness to learn are welcomed with open arms, regardless of how ignorant they may be (myself being a case in point)

Posters who arrive with courtesy, and a few basic questions for which they can't find answers are usually politely directed to where their answers may be. (Again, there is a difference between "The answer is in this thread or this page of the wiki, for which we recommend in furture you use you search ((and links supplied))" and "Read the f***ing manual/wiki/search, n00b" - of which polite posters will see very little). It should be said that the approach of directing people to where the answers are, rather than reposting the answers is the response championed by Qgil - I heard him say so with my own ears.

Posters who arrive with basic questions but no willingness to attempt to find answers for themselves tend to be dealt with rather more bluntly. But if you ask a question that was asked last week, you'll get a gentler response than if you ask a question for which the answer is staring you in the face in the title of another thread on the same page.

Posters who present well-thought-out opinions about Maemo devices are again welcomed, and debated with. Even when those opinions are predominately negative.

Posters who start their posting life here with threads full of unsupported negativity are likely to get rather short shrift. (Though in other places I've been, they'd get their accounts locked by the third post). It is these posters who are finding it most difficult to get along here.

Take Mr Box, originator of this debate: his first few posts were extremely negative. He riled a lot of people up. He gave the impression (rightly or wrongly) that his posts were made purely for the purpose of annoying people. This is an activity known as 'trolling'. Unfortunately, not everyone can see the difference between a someone who makes an occasional trolling post and A Troll. Personally, I think Mr Box has fallen into this trap: his early posts appeared to be trolling: now he is stuck with the tag of 'troll' in some people's minds, which impacts on the way they respond to his posts, however good (or otherwise) they may be.

This, sadly, is human nature as much on the internet as anywhere else. First impressions stick. Mr Box (and one or two other new posters who spring to mind) are having to overcome a great deal of prejudice caused by their having made a very bad impression in their initial input to the community.

Perhaps somewhere in the sign-up/registration process there should be some sort of requirement to read not only forum rules but a little treatise on ettiquette to enable new posters to avoid this sort of communication error.

Oh, and Happy Christmas to you, too Jaysire.