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abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 04:55
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Originally Posted by jacktanner

This is such a pointless thread.

The community will contribute to and improve the N900 ecosystem organically, a day at a time. The only thing that can be done now is to ensure that there are tools and infrastructure.

abill, if you want to contribute to the discussion in a *meaningful* way, start making a list of specific areas where you find Maemo 5 and its ecosystem to be lacking. No vitriol, just specific technical details. That way, when someone comes along and wants to contribute (say, a GSoC student), there's a place to start. FLOSS development is not about rallying the troops like a middle manager, it's about leading by example.

There is a problem with your post because you talk about Maemo and that means flogging a dead horse if Nokia cease to support Maemo and move on to a far better eco friendly system that they have now achieved lots of comercial interest in Meego so why the talk of a dead system?.

So do we debate here and make an issue of the decisions Nokia have made or do we go with them and if need be improvise but at least on the same track as they are on not one that has suddenly came to a dead end, or do you see Maemo as your thing or are you going to dispute Maemo is not coming to an end support wise from Nokia?.

abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 05:08
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Originally Posted by ysss

Here's a link to what I've referenced in my post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB6hLg3PRbY#t=4m01s

Here's another shocker:

If you want to ***** and moan to Nokia due to their sub-par support and execution of N900 (in the commercial sense), then I'm with you on that.

But, if you relegate Nokia's part of the bargain and put its full weight on the community, then that's where we part ways. "The community" (that is to say 'we'), are not directly responsible for N900's success or its long term sustainability as a product.

I feel you do not realise the important role a community plays in any situation.
A community is where people get together and work together NOT going at eachother and arguing why this why that.
Meego is where we have been forced to go by Nokia so that has to be the way forward as explained in my last post in reply to yet another debate on Maemo.

We need more intergration with Nokia as they seem to have this trend of rebuking support but this time they did it to a new born creation that was never given the light of day from them as they moved on telling us Maemo is finished and in less than a year !.

Now is when the community comes in to evaluate and decide the best way forward BUT it is still hung on Maemo a dead horse and a lot of members want to dispute and that just hinders and halts forward motion.

Yes your right this community is NOT responsible for Nokia's decisions and once again it takes a well balanced group to achieve something when in this case Nokia fail.

The way forward is beinbg said by many now and i am only echoing this... work together as a team without argument or war of words as to do that means non productivity and a complete stalling of progression.

Maemo is dead and Nokia told the world Meego is the future so we ALL need to at least head in the same direction dont you think?.

We ARE responxsible for the future of the N900 if it means Nokia are not going to support it ! and YOU need to realise this.

Ok Nokia dont talk but owns this forum yes? or no?, they are telling us at the moment will not give the N900 Meego support so where does that leave us?.

Ok argue the point but does it get you any further forward?.

happymonkey	2010-08-16 , 05:17
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"what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?" is a flawed statement, if taken literally. As has been intimated at, iterated again, and reiterated countless times but never actually asked of abill_uk, what were you thinking using the word "us" as though we are in some way distinct from the community, that is as apposed to using the word "we"?

If I assume the words used were in err of abill''s real intent then the object of interest is not so much a question but a public proposal to move towards a more formal community recognition that Nokia is likely unlikely to work with us, and urge that we invest more energy as a community towards the goal of autonomy.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."
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abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 05:22
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Then maybe the way forward is to turn this into a Meego community as qgil is trying to start many seperate Meego's just to make things more complicated, maybe he wants as many moaning communities like this one is turning out to be?.

Oh boy you lot certainly know how to screw up a simple question !.

abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 05:26
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Maybe Stskeeps would like to comment as he keeps popping in and out of this thread?.

abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 05:30
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Originally Posted by happymonkey

"what is this community prepared to do for us regarding the N900?" is a flawed statement, if taken literally. As has been intimated at, iterated again, and reiterated countless times but never actually asked of abill_uk, what were you thinking using the word "us" as though we are in some way distinct from the community, that is as apposed to using the word "we"?

If I assume the words used were in err of abill''s real intent then the object of interest is not so much a question but a public proposal to move towards a more formal community recognition that Nokia is likely unlikely to work with us, and urge that we invest more energy as a community towards the goal of autonomy.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it any more than you men."
-- Captain, Road Prison 36 in Cool Hand Luke

US means everyone and that means EVERYONE as everyone reading on here and posting on here is part of the community, does that clarify or do you require even more of an explanation that that !.

gerbick	2010-08-16 , 05:35
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

US means everyone and that means EVERYONE as everyone reading on here and posting on here is part of the community, does that clarify or do you require even more of an explanation that that !.

I have to think that a lot of us don't fully agree with you.

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abill_uk	2010-08-16 , 05:40
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Originally Posted by gerbick

I have to think that a lot of us don't fully agree with you.

I dont actually mind at all about that as long as this community unites in some way and works together to achieve something constructive for the N900.

I am not important... the N900 IS !.

	ysss	2010-08-16 , 06:04
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

I feel you do not realise the important role a community plays in any situation.

But of course, everyone else is an idiot.

A community is where people get together and work together NOT going at eachother and arguing why this why that.

Then you might want to rethink your original post here, the content, direction and tone used.

At any rate, you seem to have misread/misunderstand/not understand my last post. Please reread that too.

Cherio.

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gerbick	2010-08-16 , 06:08
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

I dont actually mind at all about that as long as this community unites in some way and works together to achieve something constructive for the N900.

I think that the community is rather united. The reason to assume the helm has yet to be passed to this community because Nokia's not yet done with Maemo 5.