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2012-02-19
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Oh pleeeze don't make this a Free Software vs. Open Source battleground (which it isn't). I consider myself what you'd probably call a "GNU person". I make a clear distinction between them (the open source pragmatics) an us (the free software ideologists), and I certainly wouldn't consider myself a "part of the open source community".
Just sometimes I wish GNU people would look realistically at the world -- while I'm a big supporter of open source myself, the behaviour of some parts of the open source community reminds me a little too much of the the Butlerian Jihad from the Dune series.
But: I'm certain that all this has nothing to do whith GrimyHR's campaign against the Spark. It's just one single person having a bad hair month, not "the GNU people" not looking "realistically at the world".
Having said that:
I don't accept the world! - but I'll buy the Spark!
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2012-02-19
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#123
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Originally Posted by benny1967
not a bad hair day, but just disappointed by their poor choice when it could have been much better, i really want something similar to this badly to at least partially replace my n900, but as this is just barely more powerful than n900 im just sad and annoyed
Oh pleeeze don't make this a Free Software vs. Open Source battleground (which it isn't). I consider myself what you'd probably call a "GNU person". I make a clear distinction between them (the open source pragmatics) an us (the free software ideologists), and I certainly wouldn't consider myself a "part of the open source community".
But: I'm certain that all this has nothing to do whith GrimyHR's campaign against the Spark. It's just one single person having a bad hair month, not "the GNU people" not looking "realistically at the world".
Having said that:
I don't accept the world! - but I'll buy the Spark!
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2012-02-28
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#124
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GrimyHR, if we're talking about annoyance, I'm annoyed that you keep to spam this thread with useless whining about "alternative", without commenting on meritocratic arguments by Stskeeps:
/Estel
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
I would really like to see proper technical comment on this, as otherwise, all You've written so far is just useless hoax + negative campaign against people that.actually *do* something, instead of sitting still and splitting post after post, with same content.
1) Tablets with allwinner has exact same problem as zenithink, there has only been leaks of drivers for the tablets, not any official releases. Most efforts take the approach of using the released allwinner sources from allwinner directly.
2) Allwinner does not provide downloadable GLES drivers and other support like amlogic does on http://openlinux.amlogic.com/
3) Allwinner devices require a Windows(!) closed source flasher to flash the devices, http://elinux.org/Hack_A10_devices
/Estel
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2012-02-29
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actually i have given an example of an allwinner a10 based tablet that is sold by manufacturer as an gpl compliant device (ainol novo 7 advanced)
so the people who are buying it are not endorsing gpl violating manufacturers like with buying this tablet(even thou it will not arive as a gpl violator to the end user, the gpl violating bastard of a manufacturer still gets his money and everyone who buys this endorses gpl violation, just not directly) plus its much faster and cheaper, supports up to 1gb of ddr3("spark" is 512MB ddr2 as that soc cant handle anything more) so i would like anyone who thinks I am wrong and they are right to justify their choice or i have every intention of continuing my rants
rhombus-tech has explained everything technical why this is the chinese SoC to choose so click on the sources i provided
P.S. even though I consider those things i mention above relevant and valid, the biggest grudge i have against it is that this device is not in any way better than n900, you get a bit more eam and you loose your keyboard, performance wise they are almost the same, and n900 is 3 years old tech...i want this...on another hardware...and until i get it i will b.i.t.c.h about it
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so the people who are buying it are not endorsing gpl violating manufacturers like with buying this tablet(even thou it will not arive as a gpl violator to the end user, the gpl violating bastard of a manufacturer still gets his money and everyone who buys this endorses gpl violation, just not directly) plus its much faster and cheaper, supports up to 1gb of ddr3("spark" is 512MB ddr2 as that soc cant handle anything more) so i would like anyone who thinks I am wrong and they are right to justify their choice or i have every intention of continuing my rants
rhombus-tech has explained everything technical why this is the chinese SoC to choose so click on the sources i provided
P.S. even though I consider those things i mention above relevant and valid, the biggest grudge i have against it is that this device is not in any way better than n900, you get a bit more eam and you loose your keyboard, performance wise they are almost the same, and n900 is 3 years old tech...i want this...on another hardware...and until i get it i will b.i.t.c.h about it
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2012-02-29
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It still doesn't answer how someone could avoid showstoppers mentioned by Stskeeps (and in "our" case, they're real showstoppers). It doesn't matter how much better/faster/sexy is allwinner - it's just not an option, due to mentioned roadblocks.
As for Your other arguments, You've already stated them 4322 times While I agree with some "whining" about low amount of memory etc, I still don't see any reason why You're repeating it over and over. It won't make more people agree with your opinion. IMO, it only rises a chance, that more people will add You to ignore list.
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Anyway, spark was mentioned today in Polish Radio Program 3 (public radio station, here in Poland) - I was really shocked! Whatever we may "have against" Spark, it's fair to mention, that they've received unbelievable media attention, for such a project.
This makes me even more sad, that GPL-violating manufacturer is in supply chain, but I can only hope, that it will open opportunities for more and more Open devices in future.
/Estel
As for Your other arguments, You've already stated them 4322 times
While I agree with some "whining" about low amount of memory etc, I still don't see any reason why You're repeating it over and over. It won't make more people agree with your opinion. IMO, it only rises a chance, that more people will add You to ignore list.---
Anyway, spark was mentioned today in Polish Radio Program 3 (public radio station, here in Poland) - I was really shocked! Whatever we may "have against" Spark, it's fair to mention, that they've received unbelievable media attention, for such a project.
This makes me even more sad, that GPL-violating manufacturer is in supply chain, but I can only hope, that it will open opportunities for more and more Open devices in future.
/Estel
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2012-02-29
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i also hope that all this pomp will result with a better gnu/linux device with an actually fair price for what it offers, im just tired of waiting, just because i want an open and desktop like experience in my pocket does not mean that i should be satisfied with anything...
what are those showstopers and how come they dont exist for rhombus-tech? :S im not joking i actually dont see roadblocks you are mentioning so please explain
what are those showstopers and how come they dont exist for rhombus-tech? :S im not joking i actually dont see roadblocks you are mentioning so please explain
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2012-02-29
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If You're sure, that:
Of course, I'm not hardware implementation expert, so I may be wrong in some/all statements.
/Estel
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
...isn't the case (to which I'm not fully convinced by Your arguments), there still remain:
1) Tablets with allwinner has exact same problem as zenithink, there has only been leaks of drivers for the tablets, not any official releases. Most efforts take the approach of using the released allwinner sources from allwinner directly.
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
It doesn't matter that it work with default implementation - without downloadable drivers and "other support", we can't implement this in Open OS of our choose. +, the windows closed source flasher is pure joke, sic.
2) Allwinner does not provide downloadable GLES drivers and other support like amlogic does on http://openlinux.amlogic.com/
3) Allwinner devices require a Windows(!) closed source flasher to flash the devices, http://elinux.org/Hack_A10_devices
Of course, I'm not hardware implementation expert, so I may be wrong in some/all statements.
/Estel
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2012-02-29
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Originally Posted by Estel
mali 400 proprietary binary should be the same :S
If You're sure, that:
...isn't the case (to which I'm not fully convinced by Your arguments), there still remain:
It doesn't matter that it work with default implementation - without downloadable drivers and "other support", we can't implement this in Open OS of our choose. +, the windows closed source flasher is pure joke, sic.
Of course, I'm not hardware implementation expert, so I may be wrong in some/all statements.
/Estel
and there is lima if not
what other support? is this a joke?
and for the first point ainol has released source for atleast novo7 advanced, so there is at least one device that is gpl compliant (althou i would like novo7 elf with gnu/linux, better resolution, 1gb ddr3)
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2012-04-30
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Sorry if I am off with this. I haven't been keeping up. But I just saw this on Linux Today:
http://aseigo.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04...arly-here.html
I came here to see if there was any talk about it but could not find it. So, is the Spark now called Vivialdi, or is it a different device? Is any one here buying it? I think I may be interested.
Edit:
Ah, OK, I found some info. First I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1N1_-RHvTY
As instructed I went here:
http://opentablets.org/
There I found the answer to the name question:
http://opentablets.org/page/index.ht...he-vivaldi-r14
In essence:
Last edited by rm42; 2012-04-30 at 15:39.
http://aseigo.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04...arly-here.html
I came here to see if there was any talk about it but could not find it. So, is the Spark now called Vivialdi, or is it a different device? Is any one here buying it? I think I may be interested.
Edit:
Ah, OK, I found some info. First I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1N1_-RHvTY
As instructed I went here:
http://opentablets.org/
There I found the answer to the name question:
http://opentablets.org/page/index.ht...he-vivaldi-r14
In essence:
"due to some trademark issues, is now known as the Vivaldi
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Last edited by rm42; 2012-04-30 at 15:39.
btw, ainol novo 7 advanced is allwinner a10 and is gpl compliant so stop with the b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t
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