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Originally Posted by anthonie
why do you think NOKIA keeps paying the bills for {T}MO, then?
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Many people nowadays seem to approach TMO as if it were some kind of helpdesk where they have a right to claim the use of knowledge they don't have.
treating unwitting users like ruffians at worse, ignorant at best might be the best way of convincing NOKIA to shut the whole site down
or do they just keep Maemo Community as a rearguard to distribute devices to, they can't get ride of otherwise?
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2012-05-28
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Originally Posted by danramos
i know, i know
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How dare you insult me with your pour [sic] spelling and commentary!!
There/their/they're awful!
was the whole point
¦-))))
Originally Posted by danramos
just for clarification...
Yes, I'm a dork.Also...
LAST WORD!
you the guy on the right, right?
or are you the... *****
?!?help me out, there...
Originally Posted by danramos
see also Project N955 - Turn your N9 into a 'N950'!
Being serious for a moment, have you considered using a mini portable bluetooth keyboard? There are some that are just as small as the phone that you could use in a pinch if you're just out and about. For examples:
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Wire...ref=pd_cp_pc_0
http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-Entertain...ref=sr_1_10?qi
...you get my drift. Just search for 'mini bluetooth keyboard' (or just leave out the mini, for less portable searches).
(use a blue tooth keyboard with casing to fix a mobile device on it; unfortunately, there are none for N9 (yet?), so have to settle with one for 4/4S or so & fiddle with it to attach the N9...)
since that thread started, i have been playing more seriously with the though of getting myself a N9
could even get a brand new white one for 575 bucks, including 2 yr NOKIA warranty (delivered directly from Finland...)
but then i would need to find a white casing with black keys (and back light)
so i guess i may settle for a month old black 64GB for 350 bucks
planing on getting a 808 PV with my contract renewal latter this summer, so camera is a moot point
and keeping the N900 as my primary, so it would only be as an NIT or as a ICS test bed
not sure about cyan or magenta casings, though
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2012-05-28
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#124
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Oh dear, i literally laughed out loud, and it was a boring work day, thanks
Originally Posted by vi_
Lack of tolerance on TMO? WTFO, GTFO U noob.
But seriously, TMO is, at the core, by 'normal' standards a very technical forum. Most of the old schoolers here (whom I one day hope to join) have spent many hours educating themselves in the workings of linux/IT/computers. We understand what makes our devices tick, why things are the way they are. We understand with great functionality comes great fúck-up-ability.
When you have some douchecopter start posting about how much greater an inferior piece of hardware/IT is better because it is able to perform some banal triviality faster or easier it outrages us.
When some bellbag who has little understanding of the most basic tenets of troubleshooting refuses to listen then brands our holy sacrament, the n900 as shít, we become enraged.
I understand the need for round paper, non-toxic crayons, safety scissors and bettar fonez, but don't try and tell me they are more useful and more valuable because they just work and all your spacker mates have one.
I am fairly certain TMO zeitgeist ebbs and flows like a sine wave.
At 0 degrees things are balanced, disappointment and optimism are roughly equal. A new device gets released.
As we approach 90 degrees we have a full on influx of rétards and other assorted riff-raff who just got tricked into receiving a maemo/meego/nemo/mer/tizen/whatever. They are confused and angry. 'Y U NO POST LOLTWEETS TO MY FACEWALL???' they scream at their devices. FOr everyaction there is and opposite reaction. All this trash is met with 'GTFO u noob' and 'FFS, RTFM'.
As we hit 90 degrees, we start getting all the 'I have had it with this useless <device> it will not <latest mong appz>. And people slowly leave.
As we approach 180 degrees the leaving notes become less frequent and more rational. (to be fair the current 'n9 sux, imma gone' thread does raise some valid points).
As we pass 180 degrees, the remaining users all club together to overcome the issues surrounding the current new device. Interest in the previous device comes less and less.
At 270 degrees a new device is announced. We then start the influx of fools anticipating the new device, this counteracts all the goodwill.
360 degrees, we are back to the start.
Right now, we are at 90 degrees.
I am pretty sure the N800 guys (rest in piece) noticed the same thing when the n900 came along. I for one missed it because I am a noob and only joined after Nokia announced complete abandonment of the n900. (I was like 'w00t, finally I can afford the piece of hardware I have been waiting over a decade for!' (sharp PC1360->atari portfolio->Jornada 680 (with 'nix, got me through uni XD)->e72(briefly)->n900))).
Geneven's signature sums it up beautifully, 'all I need is 40 acres, a mule and xterm.' You get annoyed when city folks want to come around and build a ****ing nail bar.
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2012-05-28
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#125
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Originally Posted by geneven
Power search does not suck, it's the same as doing site:maemo.org %s in google. The vbulletin search is not so good but it's the first thing you see when you think "I wanna search". It doesn't come to mind there are two more ways to search and certainly there is no indication of which is better. Power!=Efficient. Most of the times they are inversely proportionate.
1. I've got big news for you, Danramos: five years from now most of us are not going to be looking back at our posts here and laughing -- we are not even going to be THINKING about our posts here -- at least I hope not.
2. Unlike the general consensus here, I don't find that Power Search sucks. What stops tyros is not that search sucks, it is that they aren't familiar enough with the subject or the style of interchange to choose likely search terms. I suppose that the rest of you search-despisers are just bad guessers.
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Proud coding competition 2012 winner: ρcam
My other apps: speedcrunch N9 N900 Jolla –– contactlaunch –– timenow
Nemo UX blog: Grog
My website: qwazix.com
My job: oob
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2012-05-28
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i was thinking about something to get out of this problem starting a new thread where we can know each othere better
every one enter and write a brief about himself .. His name .. His age .. What he studies .. What he have done
what about this guys ?
every one enter and write a brief about himself .. His name .. His age .. What he studies .. What he have done
what about this guys ?
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2012-05-28
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@almamo
You may be relative new to TMO, but you are a huge embassador for the N9; so respect where respect is due.
Moving on...........
I am not a developer. I am not even moderately skilled with terminal, (although I was quite impressed with myself at installing Inception and OPPtimizer for the N9).
I am simply a big fan of the N900 and now the N9. I would never have purchased the N9 had it not been for the huge respect I had with the open souce and TMO community.
There are some amazingly talented and experienced developers and hackers here - collectively, it is they who have kept the TMO alive (ok, sometimes with a respirator, but TMO is still here).
The forum to encourage collaboration and help between developers on TMO is the heart of this organisation and, in my humble opinion, must be central to its structure.
New blood and 'noobs' are very welcome; let's face it where else can they access helpful and supportive advice on how to install and work third party apps and hacks?
TMO should welcome these newcomers.
But TMO (via its moderators) should enforce a zero tolerance of insults, intolerance and sometimes disgraceful language in forums. A foundation of TMO is the integrity and respect shown between members. It does not matter that times change, new members arrive. What is more important is that the orginal principles of TMO are preserved, so that everyone can continue to enjoy the site and community; hopefully for a long time to come.
Wazapp? Well, I never appreciated how popular Whatsapp is internationally until the wazapp experience. The original thread for wazapp was diabolical. I cringed whenever I visited it, and could never bring myself to post on it for that reason. But I think it was a 'one-off'.
We should be conscious that the reason the wazapp problem happened in the first place was because bloggers directed their readers to the TMO site. Bloggers who wholehearted support and love Maemo and N9 inadvertently created the problem.
I blog for the N9. But I am accutely aware that the readers of my blog are not developers or hackers, they are simply looking for the end product. Maybe they should always be directly to the Nokia Store?
But the fact is that, as we know, the only way that an N900/9 user will get the best experience from their device is to use (and hopefully support) third party developers.
So I conclude as follows:
1. Let the wise community decide the direction of TMO. And let us pray that the wise are in control.
2. Open up to newcomers and show them patience and respect, where repect is due. But remove members (old or new) that post disrespectful and/or rude posts.
3. Protect and encourage developer collaboration. Even if that means providing closed (invite only) forums for them to communicate on.
4. Accept the fact that trolls will invite themselves to the party just as much as they have done in the past. They are an inherent feature of forums, whichever OS it may be dedicated to.
5. If you are a blogger, remember that whilst developers do their magic for their love, they also deserve recognition.
A third party app is not a freebie. Bloggers should encourage donations where applicable. I feel strongly about this. Especially if a blogger has monetorized their site, financial gains from the open source.
And developers, for God's sake, if you provide a great app or tweak, add a donation button to your thread. It does not matter that your app will -not pass Nokia's QA procedures, who cares - you are adding huge value to the community so respect your work and endeavours.
6. Finally, my most important observation. I address the TMO council. Please have a sense of urgency about your work. The perception of most here, is that everything you do takes 6 months + to discuss, consider, vote, stamp and complete the prerequisite forms.
I have not read your articles of association, but you were voted in to do a job. Feel free to make executive decisions and get on with it !!!!!!!! We all respect protocols, but today (even for open source) we need quick, decisive action to drag TMO in the right direction.
Thanks for reading.
John
You may be relative new to TMO, but you are a huge embassador for the N9; so respect where respect is due.
Moving on...........
I am not a developer. I am not even moderately skilled with terminal, (although I was quite impressed with myself at installing Inception and OPPtimizer for the N9).
I am simply a big fan of the N900 and now the N9. I would never have purchased the N9 had it not been for the huge respect I had with the open souce and TMO community.
There are some amazingly talented and experienced developers and hackers here - collectively, it is they who have kept the TMO alive (ok, sometimes with a respirator, but TMO is still here).
The forum to encourage collaboration and help between developers on TMO is the heart of this organisation and, in my humble opinion, must be central to its structure.
New blood and 'noobs' are very welcome; let's face it where else can they access helpful and supportive advice on how to install and work third party apps and hacks?
TMO should welcome these newcomers.
But TMO (via its moderators) should enforce a zero tolerance of insults, intolerance and sometimes disgraceful language in forums. A foundation of TMO is the integrity and respect shown between members. It does not matter that times change, new members arrive. What is more important is that the orginal principles of TMO are preserved, so that everyone can continue to enjoy the site and community; hopefully for a long time to come.
Wazapp? Well, I never appreciated how popular Whatsapp is internationally until the wazapp experience. The original thread for wazapp was diabolical. I cringed whenever I visited it, and could never bring myself to post on it for that reason. But I think it was a 'one-off'.
We should be conscious that the reason the wazapp problem happened in the first place was because bloggers directed their readers to the TMO site. Bloggers who wholehearted support and love Maemo and N9 inadvertently created the problem.
I blog for the N9. But I am accutely aware that the readers of my blog are not developers or hackers, they are simply looking for the end product. Maybe they should always be directly to the Nokia Store?
But the fact is that, as we know, the only way that an N900/9 user will get the best experience from their device is to use (and hopefully support) third party developers.
So I conclude as follows:
1. Let the wise community decide the direction of TMO. And let us pray that the wise are in control.
2. Open up to newcomers and show them patience and respect, where repect is due. But remove members (old or new) that post disrespectful and/or rude posts.
3. Protect and encourage developer collaboration. Even if that means providing closed (invite only) forums for them to communicate on.
4. Accept the fact that trolls will invite themselves to the party just as much as they have done in the past. They are an inherent feature of forums, whichever OS it may be dedicated to.
5. If you are a blogger, remember that whilst developers do their magic for their love, they also deserve recognition.
A third party app is not a freebie. Bloggers should encourage donations where applicable. I feel strongly about this. Especially if a blogger has monetorized their site, financial gains from the open source.
And developers, for God's sake, if you provide a great app or tweak, add a donation button to your thread. It does not matter that your app will -not pass Nokia's QA procedures, who cares - you are adding huge value to the community so respect your work and endeavours.
6. Finally, my most important observation. I address the TMO council. Please have a sense of urgency about your work. The perception of most here, is that everything you do takes 6 months + to discuss, consider, vote, stamp and complete the prerequisite forms.
I have not read your articles of association, but you were voted in to do a job. Feel free to make executive decisions and get on with it !!!!!!!! We all respect protocols, but today (even for open source) we need quick, decisive action to drag TMO in the right direction.
Thanks for reading.
John
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2012-05-28
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Originally Posted by danramos
Use Google and search for maemo N9 help and it becomes obvious that this board is the official N9 help desk. This is where all the questions and all the answers are.
2. I'm pretty sure that even the adept prefer to use Google to search the forum here rather than the build-in garbage that is supposed to pass for a forum search tool.
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2012-05-29
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Originally Posted by specc
I'm pretty sure you're right and using Google to search makes my point for me tht the built-in forum search at TMO suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.
Use Google and search for maemo N9 help and it becomes obvious that this board is the official N9 help desk. This is where all the questions and all the answers are.
Originally Posted by jpfsn
Here here, John! I agree with pretty much with everything you said EXCEPT...
I am not a developer. I am not even moderately skilled with terminal, (although I was quite impressed with myself at installing Inception and OPPtimizer for the N9).
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Originally Posted by jpfsn
I'm convinced that we've already had excellent people in that role before and now--however, based on various discussions and my own perspective as well, I don't think that most people here think the problem with maemo community council has much to do with the maemo community council or the way they've done things but that the problem has always been on the Nokia end of discussions. Nokia puts up solid barriers with soft phrases that make the barriers seem invisible. Nokia makes puffery claims of openness while at the same time closing things up even tighter (source code, communication, bug-fixing, etc.). I, for one, can't really criticize any of the Maemo Council past or present, despite maybe not always being aware of just how hard Nokia has been playing dope-on-a-rope with them and with us by extension.
6. Finally, my most important observation. I address the TMO council. Please have a sense of urgency about your work. The perception of most here, is that everything you do takes 6 months + to discuss, consider, vote, stamp and complete the prerequisite forms.
I have not read your articles of association, but you were voted in to do a job. Feel free to make executive decisions and get on with it !!!!!!!! We all respect protocols, but today (even for open source) we need quick, decisive action to drag TMO in the right direction
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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Originally Posted by davdav
Come on.. at least Google put on a better effort to collect everyone's profiles into one place. Plus, you have a paedobear icon--should you REEEALLY make it that obvious who you are, Balmer?
i was thinking about something to get out of this problem starting a new thread where we can know each othere better
every one enter and write a brief about himself .. His name .. His age .. What he studies .. What he have done
what about this guys ?
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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