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	Reggie	2012-07-05 , 15:20
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Originally Posted by SD69

Thanks.
Is the $195 fee you mentioned for vbulletin a one-time fee or an annual license (or something else)?

One time. Upgrade cost additional for next main release.

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Creamy Goodness	2012-07-05 , 21:44
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Yeah definitely stick with vbulletin. Time is money too and it's way too much time to try and migrate the user data, fix all the templates to make things it look as good, find and install extensions, etc. $200 is nothing. Btw vbulletin runs on both windows and linux (and bsd,solaris,mac), so we have lots of hosting options.

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	qwazix	2012-07-05 , 22:07
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I've been managing a server for our small business which serves marginally 1.2 tb of data each month with a cost of 50eur/month for the server plus our time for maintenance.

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	Estel	2012-07-06 , 15:19
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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness

Yeah definitely stick with vbulletin. Time is money too and it's way too much time to try and migrate the user data, fix all the templates to make things it look as good, find and install extensions, etc. $200 is nothing.

I don't agree - at least, as long as we don't know amount of money that we will have available. Also, after every major update, we would have to pay again (or face aging, closed and proprietary system, more and more vulnerable to spambot attacks and other threats).

Last but not least, it's little ridiculous, that Community focused so much on FOSS use closed, proprietary engine for forum.

I know, that migrating database to FOSS engines may be problematic, but we need to consider if such one-time PITA is worth effort, in the long run.

/Estel

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ajalkane	2012-07-06 , 15:52
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Originally Posted by Estel

I don't agree - at least, as long as we don't know amount of money that we will have available. Also, after every major update, we would have to pay again (or face aging, closed and proprietary system, more and more vulnerable to spambot attacks and other threats).

Last but not least, it's little ridiculous, that Community focused so much on FOSS use closed, proprietary engine for forum.

I know, that migrating database to FOSS engines may be problematic, but we need to consider if such one-time PITA is worth effort, in the long run.

/Estel

I agree in principle, but migrating the data will no doubt be somewhat pain-in-the-***. Might take quite a while until the scripts are bug free to do the migration.

IMO if migrating to some FOSS alternative is preferred, the vBulletin license should be bought anyway so that there is no rush to get the scripts perfected. Use vBulletin until migrating tools are ready.

I think there is so much work ahead in all other parts of community hosting, that the one-time 200$ is well spent as an interim solution.

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	Dave999	2012-07-06 , 16:02
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Do we need all data?

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	www.rzr.online.fr	2012-07-06 , 16:12
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What about creating archives and seeding them through p2p ?

at least something will remain ... and let the future decide what to be done ?

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	Estel	2012-07-06 , 20:56
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Originally Posted by www.rzr.online.fr

What about creating archives and seeding them through p2p ?

at least something will remain ... and let the future decide what to be done ?

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Archives containing what?

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	www.rzr.online.fr	2012-07-06 , 21:07
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you pick :

* forge dump
* mailing lists
* wiki
* etc

A such archive would cost nothing to do and could be future proof ...

I agree the web was not designed for tarballs ... but I'd be pleased to know that in a decade a such information could be available ... and in a optimist view , in case if earth would be devastated ( by wp8 selop or any un/natural disaster) I am sure a higher intelligence form would deserve this brilliant accomplishment....

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	Estel	2012-07-06 , 23:37
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Well, I think it's better for us to actually migrate those things, than putting them into box, burring into p2p network, and waiting what future generations will do with it (probably, nothing at all

).

Of course, if someone want to dump wiki, mailing-list archive, forum posts etc, and put it into p2p there is no technical way to prevent that - nor any reason - but I would not use it as "official" mean, until we're forced to (hypothetical and most unlikely situation, when we can't migrate anything, as fundrising ends with 0-5$ result, so no money for hosting, etc). It's rather truly apocalyptic, last-resort thing to do.

/Estel

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